hell the USMC has been doing this for years

[fightingquaker13]

I believe they're already approved and going forward with it, I can find a link if you're interested.

You mean the giant underwater electrically powered penis shaped things will get girls onboard? Hell, there goes the battery life! (Sorry, I couldn't help it).
FQ13 who will be corner bound.

[billt]

I believe they're already approved and going forward with it, I can find a link if you're interested.

I believe you. If there is a way they can cause issues with this kind of thing, they will.   Bill T.

[Timothy]

You mean the giant underwater electrically powered penis shaped things will get girls onboard? Hell, there goes the battery life! (Sorry, I couldn't help it).
FQ13 who will be corner bound.

Since Hyman Rickovers day, the Submarine Forces are nuclear FQ.  We don't use battery power boats much...

How this got from homosexuals to women I don't know.  I started a new job a few months ago and the Plant/General Manager is a very capable, very attractive, very intelligent and knowledgable 39 year old woman.  I didn't know this when I took the position but it wouldn't have mattered to me personally.  She can hold her own in a crowd of men and in the five months since she's taken the position, she's earned the respect of the folks on the floor.  Our Quality Manager is also a woman and though I don't know her background specifically, she seems capable and has been there several years.

I've worked for women before, smart and otherwise.  They're not going away so we might as well stop bitching about it and move forward.

[r_w]

I have to agree with Bill on this. I find nothing wrong with Don't ask Don't tell. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with how well you perform your job. Be it launching MLRS or pealing potatoes. I don't give one hoot if your gay, but that doesn't mean I want to know about it. A persons sex life if something that I am perfectly happy to be ignorant about. If I'm sharing a foxhole with someone, I don't really want to hear about your conquest with whoever from last weekend. This goes for straight guys too! I don't care, I don't want to know.

Where you choose to stick your thermometer is your business. Don't bring it to the office. That goes for everyone. Gay, straight, male, or female. We are here to do a job. Let's get it done and go home. Yes it's more complicated in the military, but so is everything.

+1.  I don't want to hear it, as most of them don't want to hear my religion or politics.  

[red364]

Is TAB really Red?

Nah,,,if he was, he would've posted the one of her bending over trying to pick up the soap!   

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[tombogan03884]

Actually you are ignoring the historical record which shows that your attitudes are based entirely on cultural bias.
There is nothing wrong with having active homosexuals serve, even command, in combat.
The Greek's intentionally used homosexual relationships to strengthen unit cohesion.
( f*ck, I'll never get to bed, but this needs saying )  
We have all heard the joke that the Greek Army song is "I'll never leave my Buddies behind".
It's a sound theory, would you leave your wife or girlfriend in the middle of an ax fight to save your own hide?
Research "Sacred Bands" They did not originate with the Thieves world novel's.
They were (Spartan IIRC ) military units composed of homosexual couples. Seemed to work OK at Thermopylae.
The Romans didn't seem to be impeded too much by it either and they'd screw anything.

So basically these concerns are based entirely on the prejudice of the community at large and the people who "know what's best for you".
Sounds like congress.

[billt]

It's not the "Having them serve" part that I, or most others object to. They've been doing it for eons. It is this constant politically correct bombardment we are faced with every single day, and being told we're nothing more than Archie Bunker bigots if we don't like it, or prefer a more subdued, less "in your face" approach, like Don't ask don't tell.

The fact of the matter is these people are what they are, and always have been. They've been, and currently are, in the service. I just don't want it shoved in my face every 15 minutes, then be told if I don't like it, I'm the bad guy. That's total ignorance on their part, not mine. This is the part of gays in the military, getting "married", walking hand in hand down the street kissing and playing grab ass in public that I and most others object to. They know the feelings of most straight Americans, but they don't care because damn them, they want it their way, and screw what everyone else feels or wants. They'll tread on a straight persons rights by shoving their lifestyle in their face, then cry foul when they, (straight people), object and simply say I don't want to hear about it, or see it.

No one is telling them they can't serve, or do the other things. It's just we don't want to see it all the time every time. In the military you are fed what they prepare. If you don't want to go hungry you'll eat it. You may want something else, but all people are different and there is no pleasing everyone. The military doesn't care because they can't make everything to everyone's liking because it would be all but impossible. The gays need to understand the same thing applies to their "lifestyle". Some people won't like them anymore than they'll ever like Turnips.  Life goes on, and so should they, and stop trying to change everyone's mind in the process. I "Know what's best for me". Not the gay's, or Congress for that matter.  Bill T.

[billt]

If you think about it, this is the exact same thing that applies to the building of this mosque near Ground Zero. No one is saying they don't have the legal right to build it. No one is saying they, (muslims), are not entitled to the same religious freedoms everyone else is. What people are saying is it is disrespectful to others to build it so close to where almost 3,000 Americans were in fact killed by muslims. That's it. But, much like gays in the military, and everywhere else, the muslims don't care about our feelings, only theirs. They want to advance their cause at the expense of what others feel or care about. This is where the friction comes into play, and all of this stupid, politically correct nonsense starts kicking in. It is their belief, much like the gays, they are right, and everyone else is wrong, and need to come around to their way of progressive thinking. The political correctness comes into play by laying the claim you are the religious, or social bigot if you don't.

It is so out of control that Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg walked off "The View" when Bill O'Reilly stated the simple fact muslims attacked us on 9/11. Well if not them, who then? It wasn't Southern Baptists. Goldberg and Behar were upset that O'Reilly didn't state they were muslim "Extremists". Their thinking was people would be led to believe by his statement all muslims were bad and lumped into the same category as the extremists. Come on, do they really think Americans can't figure this out by themselves without being told in every sentence spoken about this topic in the last 10 years? It's sheer lunacy the way this kind of politically correct thinking has consumed the American public.

It is the same exact thing with this whole gay lifestyle issue, be it in the military, socially, down the street from your house, or anywhere else. All of it is nothing more than a hooray for me, screw you attitude they are pushing behind a plow powered by nothing more than political correctness. Notice how none of this crap got any traction before all of this politically correct thinking consumed the American public and media? Now these gays, muslims, and liberals are playing off of it hoping to get more mileage out of their cause. I won't buy into any of it. People have certain rights, no one is disputing that. How, when, and where we as groups or individuals choose to exercise those rights requires respect for others. This is what the muslims and the gays, along with the liberals who want to push their agenda on everyone else need to realize.   Bill T.

[usmcdadx2]

So we have no problem with them serving as long as they; do nothing to threaten or offend our cultural/religious bias...but don't anyone dare do or say anything that might infringe on our right to tell those different from us how to live their life.

Yes the PC culture is out of control and fueling both sides of this issue but the underpinning of the issue is not PC! It is the ability of these people to exercise the same rights that we enjoy. How they exercise those rights becomes a personal issue and respect should come into play... not all people act with respect for others is that grounds to restrict their rights. I don't find the half naked teens running around the mall, the 300 pound woman forcing her way into the fast food line or a host of other "mainstream" people to be respectful either but no one is calling for their right to live their life as they chose to be infringed.

I'll point back to the young NCO from my son's unit, yes everyone knew she was gay but she didn't flaunt it, she didn't force her views onto anyone else, she was an effective leader of her troops and a highly skilled technician yet she is out of the Marine Corps because her simple existence offended some backwoods "born again" idiot from Arkansas and she refused to lie when she was asked. Seems "don't ask" doesn't apply to investigating complaints and "don't tell" only applies to the homosexual and not the idiot with an agenda. Her commander went to bat for her and tried to keep her in but the higher command said no because no gays in the military is policy. This situation was a loss for the Corps and for America in general. A motivated, talented, trained person went home ending her career and we got to keep a "good christian" who according to my son couldn't do his job without a babysitter even after a year on the job. Yep don't ask, don't tell worked real well! Had the policy been gays are welcome to serve...period this would not have happened. There are ways to deal with the activist type within the command structure. Behavior can affect your Pro/Cons and thus promotions and flagrant issues can be addressed with NJP's or more under the UCMJ. The biggest arguments against them all seem to center around either "my God says they are evil" or "they are treading on my rights by making me see it". I see a whole lot more strait people acting in an inappropriate manner when in public that I do gay people but if the gays do it there is a huge uproar. Funny how the people concerned about "rights" have no problem stepping on someone else’s rights simply so they do not have to feel uncomfortable. They are being told that they cannot live their lives in the same way we do simply so that our delicate sensibilities are not threatened. Are you uncomfortable? Some advice from my Grandpa... "You don't like it? Hey boy that's life and it ain't going to change just for you, either suck it up and deal with it or go sit in the corner and suck your thumb".

The switch to women in the workplace is equally interesting; yep they have been there forever. Sexual abuse, intimidation and inequity has been around forever too. This behavior was long overdue to be addressed, the problems that you are complaining about are not the result of the working woman, her place in the workforce or the fact that she has every right to fair and respectful treatment. They are the result of dumbass politicians who make laws more or less in a vacuum, bureaucrats who administer those laws without any thought to common sense or reality, activist women with an agenda, media that pander to "the men are bad" mindset and lawyers who found a gravy train.

I guess I don't feel threatened by gays and I'm not so delicate that seeing them in public would scar me. For those of you that are, I refer you back to my Grandpa's wise words. For me I'm done with this subject as I don't see it going anywhere. I said my piece and am not likely to change anyone's mind and sure as hell no one here is going to change mine.

We'll have to agree to disagree and now I'm going pretend to go back to work.  

[rat31465]

So once again we are going to allow a small group of extremist to change centuries of beliefs all for the sake of being Politically Correct?
I guess we may as well...this country is swinging more towards the European mindset anyway...
Anyone know when the first shuttle to mars is leaving....?
I may want to reserve a seat off this rock.