hell the USMC has been doing this for years

[billt]

OK I lied...last post I promise!
Actually you are telling them how to live their life when you tell them that they cannot do the same things you can do in your life unless they "hide" who they are.

I can see you are having great difficulty with this, and I am running out of patience. My mother always told me when in doubt apply common sense. Let's do that. I didn't want to go here, but you are forcing the position. In throwing a hypothetical blanket over the entire military in this country, what would you think the average, red blooded American soldier would rather hear when hip to hip in a foxhole with his comrade in arms, or 6 inches away from his face in tight quarters.................. A story about some red hot 44" blond he banged 11 ways to Sunday over a railing in a strip club in a skin tight leather mini and 6" spikes while she was screaming "More More More!!!".................. Or rather one about about how he long dicked his buddy up his dirt chute in the back of the local mini mart?

Think carefully and tell me which one the military is going to have more trouble with.    Bill T.

[Pathfinder]

Actually you are ignoring the historical record which shows that your attitudes are based entirely on cultural bias.
There is nothing wrong with having active homosexuals serve, even command, in combat.
The Greek's intentionally used homosexual relationships to strengthen unit cohesion.
( f*ck, I'll never get to bed, but this needs saying )  
We have all heard the joke that the Greek Army song is "I'll never leave my Buddies behind".
It's a sound theory, would you leave your wife or girlfriend in the middle of an ax fight to save your own hide?
Research "Sacred Bands" They did not originate with the Thieves world novel's.
They were (Spartan IIRC ) military units composed of homosexual couples. Seemed to work OK at Thermopylae.
The Romans didn't seem to be impeded too much by it either and they'd screw anything.

So basically these concerns are based entirely on the prejudice of the community at large and the people who "know what's best for you".
Sounds like congress.

Technically, the Spartans were bi-sexual like the Romans. The Thebans were the ones with the homo couples formed into fighting forces.

And the Athenians and the rest of the Greeks made raucous fun of both of them for their overt and rampant homosexuality.

Even the gays say that only 10% of the population is homosexual. Hardly mainstream, and hardly normal by anyone's definition.

[billt]

Even the gays say that only 10% of the population is homosexual. Hardly mainstream, and hardly normal by anyone's definition.

Bingo, we have a winner. Thank you Don Pardo and tell us what this contestant has won today!  Bill T.

[tombogan03884]

I wonder about you two, you worry about other peoples sex lives so much.
What business is it of yours beyond your inflated "I have all the only right answers" bigotry.

Last Child molester they arrested up this way was a local Pastor, and councilor at a "Christian" youth camp

[billt]

In just the Marine Corp alone you've got 95% of these guys saying they don't want them around.

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2010/10/openly-homosexual-troops-in-military.html

When you read articles like the one linked below, a person can't help but wonder how any good at all can come from something like this happening within our military.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2010/02/frr-feb-2010-%E2%80%94-gays-in-military-sex-in-barracks/

It all makes you wonder if all of this nonsense is worth it just to appease an estimated 2.2% of the total military that is alleged to be gay?

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/01/military_gays_inservice_012710w/

Sure, people can fall back on how their rights are being infringed upon, etc. But the fact is we are talking about 2.2%, or around 66,000 people. That's it. If they feel that badly about it, stay out of the military. I sure would if I was gay. Why force yourself to be somewhere you are not wanted? It just makes no sense. Yes, you can come back with the whole argument about how they, "have as much right to be there as you do". But in reality it isn't going to change anything. I don't put myself into situations where I feel uncomfortable. It just isn't worth it. Regardless of "what my rights are".

Everything in life boils down to risk vs. reward. As I mentioned, I don't openly converse with women where I work. I don't like doing that, and quite honestly I shouldn't have to deal with that kind of crap. But because of the problems I've seen with all of this sexual harassment nonsense, it is simply not worth the risk. So that is the standard I have set forth for myself. I'm sure a lot of the women where I work think I'm a big prick for it. I really don't like it, or much care because conditions at work have led me to believe that is the safest policy to follow, even though it is wrong, and I shouldn't have to do it. It is the way things are, or rather the way things have become. With only 2.2% of the people in the military today classified as "gay", this is taking the long way around the barn.

 This country is good at making mountains out of molehills. Look at the black population. It is somewhere around 11%, and because of it we pushed this country to put a black into the Presidency. At what benefit? Now we are faced with a huge political mess to clean up as a result of our politically correct actions to do "what is right". If it was so damn "right", why is everything so f#*ked up because of it? I'm putting this whole gays in the military thing into the same smelly pile of dung. The more you stir it, the more it will stink.   Bill T.

[Sponsor]

[wtr100]

oy - try to start a light heated thread to mock the USMC and look what happens

[Pathfinder]

I wonder about you two, you worry about other peoples sex lives so much.
What business is it of yours beyond your inflated "I have all the only right answers" bigotry.

Last Child molester they arrested up this way was a local Pastor, and councilor at a "Christian" youth camp

Not at all. The gays are so in your face about their sexuality that you cannot avoid it.

The bit about the Thebans and Spartans and Athenians (oh, my!) i learned through my studies in history.

The acknowledged percentage of gays has been thrown around quite a bit by the gays themselves, hard to miss it if you're paying any attention at all.

As for the pastor, the pedophiles are everywhere, and they move into jobs/avocations/locations where they can be close to their pool of victims, ala priests. That's one of the reasons the Boy Scouts screen the hell out of their applicants for leaders, and some pedophiles still make it through.

Tom, you've been wrong about a lot of things lately, I'm beginning to rethink my vote in 2012 . . . 

[Solus]

Not at all. The gays are so in your face about their sexuality that you cannot avoid it.

The bit about the Thebans and Spartans and Athenians (oh, my!) i learned through my studies in history.

The acknowledged percentage of gays has been thrown around quite a bit by the gays themselves, hard to miss it if you're paying any attention at all.

As for the pastor, the pedophiles are everywhere, and they move into jobs/avocations/locations where they can be close to their pool of victims, ala priests. That's one of the reasons the Boy Scouts screen the hell out of their applicants for leaders, and some pedophiles still make it through.

Tom, you've been wrong about a lot of things lately, I'm beginning to rethink my vote in 2012 . . .  

your signature seems to imply Live and Let Live, Path.

If you've been Wronged, Insulted or Laid Hands on by a gay, deal with that individual and let the rest Live as they please.

Denying them the Rights enjoyed by your approved classes of folks is not the way to do that.

Tom, if you lose Path's vote, I'll vote for ya twice.  Most of my ancestors are buried in Chicago.  I'll see what I can get them to do for ya too.

[billt]

The gays are so in your face about their sexuality that you cannot avoid it.

Here I agree completely. So much so I could frankly care less about the whopping 2.2% of them that have their panties in a twist over the whole "Gays in the military" issue. In reality it is even less than that because not every single gay in the military is unhappy with don't ask, don't tell. This in reality is only an issue because we're trying to once again allow political correctness to overtake what the majority, (97.8%), wants in this country. To me it's not a substantial enough of a number to even be concerned about, or listen to.  Bill T.

[Solus]

Here I agree completely. So much so I could frankly care less about the whopping 2.2% of them that have their panties in a twist over the whole "Gays in the military" issue. In reality it is even less than that because not every single gay in the military is unhappy with don't ask, don't tell. This in reality is only an issue because we're trying to once again allow political correctness to overtake what the majority, (97.8%), wants in this country. To me it's not a substantial enough of a number to even be concerned about, or listen to.  Bill T.

97.8%...pretty close to the percentage of German voters who voted in favor of giving Hitler dictator like control of Germany. 

Being a majority doesn't make them right.