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[tombogan03884]

You are confusing respect with admiration. Admiration is calling a man a role model. Respect is acknowledging his talents. Two different things.
FQ13

So much for arguing with you,  you are making my points for me.  

Ichiban , and jp1 are wrong on this, no matter what endeavor you undertake, whether it be medical research, or mass murder , if you strive to be the most outstanding in your field your worthy of respect.
You guys need to re-read Sun Tsu.
 

[jp1]

I guess this would come down to which definition of “respect” you are talking about.
 
1. a particular, detail, or point (usually prec. by in ): to differ in some respect.

2. relation or reference: inquiries with respect to a route.
 
3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.

4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly.

5. the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect.

6. respects, a formal expression or gesture of greeting, esteem, or friendship: Give my respects to your parents.

7. favor or partiality.

8. Archaic . a consideration.
 
9. to hold in esteem or honor: I cannot respect a cheat.

10. to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights.

11. to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.

12. to relate or have reference to.

13. in respect of, in reference to; in regard to; concerning.

14. in respect that, Archaic . because of; since.

15. pay one's respects,
 to visit in order to welcome, greet, etc.: We paid our respects to the new neighbors.
to express one's sympathy, esp. to survivors following a death: We paid our respects to the family.
 
16. with respect to, referring to; concerning: with respect to your latest request.

[tombogan03884]

I guess this would come down to which definition of “respect” you are talking about.
 
1. a particular, detail, or point (usually prec. by in ): to differ in some respect.

2. relation or reference: inquiries with respect to a route.
 
3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment. Guile, stealth, imagination, planning ability, stuff like that.

4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly.

5. the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect.

6. respects, a formal expression or gesture of greeting, esteem, or friendship: Give my respects to your parents.

7. favor or partiality.

8. Archaic . a consideration.
 
9. to hold in esteem or honor: I cannot respect a cheat. unless he uses some method that requires skill or ingenuity.

10. to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights.

11. to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.

12. to relate or have reference to.

13. in respect of, in reference to; in regard to; concerning.

14. in respect that, Archaic . because of; since.

15. pay one's respects,
 to visit in order to welcome, greet, etc.: We paid our respects to the new neighbors.
to express one's sympathy, esp. to survivors following a death: We paid our respects to the family.
 
16. with respect to, referring to; concerning: with respect to your latest request.

Does that help you better understand my thinking ?


Rommel, one of the most capable field commanders of modern times, but it was us he was shooting at, does that diminish his ability as a General ?

[Timothy]

Politicians, by their own actions, are lying, cheating, scumbag, manipulating assholes who wouldn't make a good mole on a Sailors ass!

Respect from me takes a bit of work and damn few have earned it.....

[fightingquaker13]

Y'all are hung up on semantics. The point Tom was making when he started this kerfluffle (AND YES ITS YOUR FAULT TOM! ), was simply this. Some folks are just good at what they do. I can call acknowledging that respect, regognition or Bob, but regardless, its a necessary form of "Bob" when remarking on the mark they made in the world.
FQ13who defers all future complaints to Tom, as, as always, its all his fault.

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[Solus]

Here is a definition of respect:

esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.


As stated it can be for a person or a particular trait or ability of that person.

You can respect a particular ability of a person without respecting that person as an individual.

Pete Rose comes to mind as an example.  You can have great respect for his baseball playing ability and determination at the game and still not like him as a person at all.

[tombogan03884]

Here is a definition of respect:

esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.


As stated it can be for a person or a particular trait or ability of that person.

You can respect a particular ability of a person without respecting that person as an individual.

Pete Rose comes to mind as an example.  You can have great respect for his baseball playing ability and determination at the game and still not like him as a person at all.

Exactly what I mean.

[Ichiban]

Here is a definition of respect:

esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.


As stated it can be for a person or a particular trait or ability of that person.

You can respect a particular ability of a person without respecting that person as an individual.

Pete Rose comes to mind as an example.  You can have great respect for his baseball playing ability and determination at the game and still not like him as a person at all.

Yep.  Respect his ability but that doesn't translate to respect for him.

[tombogan03884]

Yep.  Respect his ability but that doesn't translate to respect for him.

OK, you understand my thinking, the rest of our disagreement is , as FQ put it, merely semantics that don't really effect the point I'm trying to make.
Those 2 guys did what they did very skillfully.
To return to an earlier comment, the reason I left out Goebbels was because he just parroted the Party line as handed down by Hitler.
It was Hitler who said a lie told often enough becomes the truth. Also, Goebbels had the advantage of complete control of the media, no internet to spoil his message, another advantage was that the German people desperately wanted to believe.

[Ichiban]

another advantage was that the German people desperately wanted to believe.

Hope & change?