TSA-Grope Or X-Ray

[MikeBjerum]

And there is the truth of it.  "Officials" are "preparing the public" to put up with more and more regulations on every aspect of life.  When will we stand up and say "ENOUGH"!

Personally I am handling this like I do the businesses that deny my Second Amendment Right.  I have faced this when flying with guns and the discrimination that some airlines exercise.  I write to the businesses involved as to why I am not using their airline or business.

I used to have a set of business cards, but have run out temporarily, that explained on the back that I would not support "your business" because you do not value my Constitutionally protected Right as defined under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

We need to make sure our government knows that we know what they are doing, we disapprove of their moves, and we will participate through the process to stop their continued limitations on our protected Freedoms.  When I fly I carry a printed copy of TSA's rules with me, and I print out a copy of the airline's expectations, and if I can find one I will print and carry a copy of the airport's.  I am not afraid to call foul when someone flexes their personal muscle.  The two most common I run into are the number of guns - I have run into an issue where an airline employee tried to pull me from a flight back home because I had too many guns in my FAA approved and well used case that had already cleared TSA twice, two ticket counters and the airline weasels once on the trip (the "small man" did not appreciate my producing of the printed documents with all gun rules highlighted and my knowledge that I was OK); and the second is the amount of ammunition you can carry.  TSA says (I need to verify for next flight it hasn't changed) 200 rounds or ten pounds, whichever is less.  Two hundred rounds of .45acp in 230 grain jhp is exactly ten pounds on a post office scale.  Mpls/StP will try and limit you to 100 rounds, but it is not on their airport information or posted anywhere.  All but once I have been allowed to take the ammunition, because when TSA gets involved they quote TSA rules of 200 rounds or ten pounds.

The biggest one I run into in my daily travels is hotels.  I make reservations half a day ahead whenever possible.  I look at the hotel websites for all information possible, and guns are one of the items I look for.  Since the rooms are pre-booked with credit cards involved I usually ignore the signs until the morning when I am leaving.  I have been known to confront a manager during check out, but mostly it is letters and e-mails after the fact.  However, on one day when I felt like being a major pain in the a** and the guy in my face at a major up scale chain had a manager tag on his chest, I asked what they meant by "no weapons" on their sign.  He explained, and I processed what I had on me, in my car and in my luggage.  It turned out to be their bad day!  After clarifying that they did not notify me prior or have it on their website or reservation confirmations (this was book a month ahead for a convention where I was presenting), I asked if they had a safe and a tray for my stuff.  After confirmation and  the tray going on the counter I produced a cocked and locked 1911, dropped the mag and unloaded it into the tray and put it back in the holster; then the j frame came out and was unloaded into the tray, and it went back into its pocket; next was the knife into the tray; and finally I asked if I could keep my flashlight.  I refused to leave the guns in the public safe, but promised to lock them in the safe in the room, which I refused to pay for.  Of course, as soon as I reached the room I reloaded with my spare mags and went to my back up knife.  Call me paranoid, but I prefer to call it prepared and the five p's of prepared are:

Proper
Planning
Prevents
Poor
Performance

Daily rant off for now.

Bottom line that may get lost in the long rant is:  I publicly and privately protest infringements on my Constitutionally protected Rights!

[WatchManUSA]

This is a classic example of the govvernment "...looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies."

[MikeBjerum]

This is a classic example of the govvernment "...looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies."

Isn't what you just described what is in the chapter on SOP contained within the governmental employee handbook 

[mortdooley]

 Southwest Airlines e-mailed my back today and basically told me they don't make the rules or run security(I told them I knew that in the original e-mail) and that it is for my safety and that of the flying public (government knee jerk reaction or grab for more of our liberties). I hope enough people stay out of airports to put pressure on airlines since they may be listened to, the public isn't. The first time I flew commercial was in 1972 and they had you empty your pockets and they pawed inside any carry-on, they even let friends and family go to the gate to see you off or greet you on arrival. Back then they were just concerned you would sneak a gun on the plane and hijack it to Cuba. (the plane, not the gun) I favor profiling, if it quakes like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it would be racist for you to think its a duck.   

[billt]

  I favor profiling, if it quakes like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it would be racist for you to think its a duck.   

+1 !

Checking the groin area of a 89 year old Scandinavian grandmother isn't going to make me any safer. Especially when Mohammad gets through with his anal cavity firmly packed with RDX. Bill T.

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[twyacht]

We still haven't "got it"....

Passengers are asked to report three hours before departure. All El Al terminals around the world are closely monitored for security. There are plain-clothes agents and fully armed police or military personnel who patrol the premises for explosives, suspicious behavior, and other threats. Inside the terminal, passengers and their baggage are checked by a trained team. El Al security procedures require that all passengers be interviewed individually prior to boarding, allowing El Al staff to identify possible security threats. Passengers will be asked questions about where they are coming from, the reason for their trip, their job or occupation, and whether they have packed their bags themselves. The likelihood of potential terrorists remaining calm under such questioning is believed to be low (see microexpression).[38]

At the check-in counter, passengers' passports and tickets are closely examined. A ticket without a sticker from the security checkers will not be accepted. At passport control passengers' names are checked against information from the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), Scotland Yard, Shin Bet, and Interpol databases. Luggage is screened and sometimes hand searched. In addition, bags are put through a decompression chamber simulating pressures during flight that could trigger explosives.[39] El Al is the only airline in the world that passes all luggage through such a chamber.[40] Even at overseas airports, El Al security agents conduct all luggage searches personally, even if they are supervised by government or private security firms.[41]

Undercover agents (sometimes referred to as sky marshals) carrying concealed firearms sit among the passengers on every international El Al flight.[42] All El Al pilots are former Israeli Air Force pilots.[43] The cockpits in all El Al aircraft have double doors to prevent entry by unauthorized persons. A code is required to access the doors, and the second door will only be opened after the first has closed and the person has been identified by the captain or first officer.[43] Furthermore, there are reinforced steel floors separating the passenger cabin from the baggage hold.[44]

El Al is widely acknowledged as the world's most secure airline, after foiling many attempted hijackings and terror attacks through its security protocols.[2][3]

On 26 December of the same year, two PFLP members attacked an El Al aircraft at Athens International Airport, killing an Israeli mechanic.[13] The Israeli Defense Forces responded to the incident on 29 December, with a night-time raid on Lebanon's Beirut Airport, destroying 14 planes on the ground belonging to Middle East Airlines, Trans Mediterranean Airways and Lebanese International Airways.[14] The military action was responsible for the demise of the LIA, which had most of its fleet destroyed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al

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Gee, no one gets groped...and if you are groped for security reasons, you probably deserve to be....

But, NOOOOO, that's PROFILING,....

[billt]

Don't even think of suggesting we do what El Al does. That is simple, cost effective, and it works. This is the United States government we're talking about.  Bill T.

[Timothy]

Personally, I don't care about getting an x-ray of my junk or even getting groped by some bone head TSA agent.  I would prefer that I didn't have to go through the evolution at all so I don't!

I gave up flying years ago because it's a place where there are way too many people, some unwashed, unhealthy, unkind and generally in a bad mood for a variety of reasons.  The food sucks, the service sucks, the booze is too expensive and though I'm not an overly large fella, I can't get comfortable in anything but a emergency row.

All that, and because of my hip implant and a face that's literally half metal, I need a note from my mommy in order to get near a metal detector.

f..k flying, I'd rather swim!

[billt]

http://www.newser.com/story/105351/tsa-pats-down-3-year-old.html

And the total insanity continues.   Bill T.

[Teresa Heilevang]

 The tin star ass-wipes...
I swear to you that IF they pat me down..I'm going to make this little quiet small whimpering moan.. and give an erotic little  suck in of my breath..
 I'm going to embarrass them and make them as uncomfortable as I can.. in as subtle way as possible..
Hope Marshal has his camera ready.. LOL