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springfield xdm the new compact
« on: November 26, 2010, 10:16:14 PM »
Have you guys seen this yet?  Im impressed with the looks and design, and i think other manufacturers should do the same with the long and short mags.  Tell me what you all think.  I know ill get one as soon as the are available. (yes i am gonna drink the cool aid) here is the link                  http://www.the-m-factor.com/CompactInfo.pdf

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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2010, 10:37:47 PM »
I put our first one on display at the shop today.  It is the 3.8 inch XDM with a shorter grip.  It comes with one short and one full size magazine just like the 3 inch XD.  We have it at the same price as all of the XDM's.
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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2010, 10:46:24 PM »
watchman can you tell me if the grip size is close to the regular xd subcompact when using the short mag?

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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 02:58:25 AM »
Been waiting to see if they were going to put out something like this for a looooooong time.  Might have to get me one.  I like the M sights better than those on the XD.  I have tried the G26, the M&P SC and the XD9 SC and was leaning heavily toward the XD9SC. 

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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 12:06:54 PM »
I've never been a fan of the Springfield XD pistol. This is not meant as a slam to the firearm itself, or anyone who owns or prefers it, but rather an in depth look at how the pistol came about. The modern Springfield Armory XD pistol and it's derivatives, are all spin offs of the HS-2000 which was originally designed by Marko Vukovic and produced by I.M. Metals. The gun originally sold for $250.00 most everywhere, and no one wanted it. The gun was what it was, a cheaply made, imported semi auto that used a lot of MIM parts in it's manufacture, which was one of the main reasons they were able to keep it's cost down.

Then Springfield Armory came along and got involved, purchased the rights to manufacture it, jacked up the price $200.00+ dollars to help pay for the multi million dollar advertising blitz that ensued, tossed in $5 worth of cheap, molded plastic "Gear", and the Springfield XD was born. Sales took off, and the rest is history. It soon became the greatest thing to come down the pike since Monday Night Football. Springfield wanted a piece of the market Glock pretty much had the franchise on, and they didn't feel like trying to design a gun from scratch to do it. So they bought the rights to the HS-2000. Not a bad idea from a marketing standpoint if you think about it.

The funny thing is Smith & Wesson had a chance to do exactly what Springfield did from I.M. Metals, but balked on the idea. Ever since then they've been breaking their backs to come up with their own design to compete. Thus far the Sigma with it’s design issues, as well as the M&P with all of it’s slide rusting issues, have proven to be more problematic than profitable.

When the Glock pistol came out in the early 80's, it was scoffed at for the most part. No one really took it seriously, and thought it would last about as long as Madonna. ("Like A Virgin" was at the top of the charts at the time). It did, just not the way most had envisioned. By the time the design took off every gun manufacturer in the country was scurrying to get something on the market to compete. Many of the guns back then were really bad designs that were problem plagued and didn't survive in the marketplace very long. The Springfield XD did, not because of it's design, but rather in spite of it. The Springfield XD pistol has proven how well mass marketing of a given product can work. If you think about it, all it really lacked at the time was Billy Mays trying to sell it on a 1:00 AM Infomercial.

While over the years they have improved it somewhat, it is still based on the original Vukovic / I.M. Metals / HS-2000 design, much like most all 1911's made today are nothing more than copies of John M. Browning's design. The difference is Browning's design was based on gun making genius, rather than nothing more than a fancy ad campaign of a cheaply made gun. In this regard Marko Vukovic, while having designed a very profitable firearm, has a long way to go to catch Mr. Browning. Bill T.

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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 09:59:05 PM »
watchman can you tell me if the grip size is close to the regular xd subcompact when using the short mag?
It felt the same but I didn't take measurements.  I don't work until next Tuesday.  I'll do a side-by-side comparison if it is still on the shelf.
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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 10:10:01 PM »
It is my understanding that Springfield now owns the XD factory and employs all the workers.
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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 05:38:03 AM »
It is my understanding that Springfield now owns the XD factory and employs all the workers.

I've heard this as well, however I have not seen anything that really substantiates it. Even if it were true it doesn't change the fact that Springfield will not sell XD parts to the public or gunsmiths. If you own an XD and it goes down, you are forced to send it in for warranty work. This usually means weeks without your gun, which could have been fixed in hours, if not minutes if the parts were avaliable.

A modern Glock pistol on the other hand has about 34 parts total. Every one of them is avaliable for purchase either on line through literally hundreds of firearms supply outlets, or in most well stocked gun shops. This means in the rare occurrence should a Glock ever go down for whatever reason, it can be up and running again in very short order with a minimum of cost and inconvenience. For someone who is heavily into IDPA, or any other type of competitive shooting this is paramount. A gun that won't run is of no use to anyone.   Bill T.

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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 10:59:56 AM »
billt, as long as the repair is on SA's nickle I don't mind since I have other guns.

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Re: springfield xdm the new compact
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 11:16:38 AM »
Thanks Billt, you put it in a nut a nut shell. A lot of history, and truth. The sad thing is, innovation is hard, marketing is easy. They both cost about the same though. :P
Kool aide aside, Glock came up with something new. Few have tried to beat them at their own game (here I'm thinking H@K, and SIG, not sure about the results though). The rest? Well, I don't carry them. Still, if you were to offer me any semi-auto pistol on the market for a gunfight I couldn't avoid: free, gratis. I'd grab a Glock. I'd also understand those who went went 1911 or Hi-Power. But the rest? WTF? I say buy whatever works for you, but in some very real sense, there are two ways to go. Gaston Glock or John Moses Browning. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Dissenting opinions welcomed.
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