Shameless Sarah Brady Once Again Uses A Tragedy To Try And Further Her Agenda

[Solus]

Studies show that individuals under the age of 21 often lack the same ability as adults to "govern impulsivity, judgment, planning for the future, and foresight of consequences

Would it be safe to assume that Sarah & Co. return any contributions from those under 21?

[tombogan03884]

Would it be safe to assume that Sarah & Co. return any contributions from those under 21?

Magic eight ball says "doubtful". 

[SwoopSJ]

Okay, this is going to be a very unpopular viewpoint, however I will submit myself to public rebuke.  I, believe it or not, DO agree that CCW permits shouldn't be issued to those under 21.  I know, I know, if you can go to war and die for your country, you should be able to drink, buy a handgun, and carry a concealed weapon.  I understand that logic and felt the same way until I got older and considered my own maturity at that age.  Beyond the maturity factor, my reasoning is this, there are a significant number of hurdles to jump, even in "shall issue" states like mine, in order to obtain a permit.  Background checks and such are supposed to keep, so called, unworthy individuals from obtaining said permits.  Unless you have committed a MAJOR crime, juvenile records are sealed, however, and wouldn't apply to the application process for a CCW permit.  Three years may not be much, but it would allow a little bit of time, for someone that can't behave or think prudently, to obtain a criminal record.  Should we really make it comparatively easier for a young applicant, than an older one, when a poorly thought out action on their part could effect all of us that safely and responsibly carry a concealed weapon?  Why even consider something that could potentially give the antis a vast increase in fuel for their fire?  I will now brace myself for, what I'm sure will be, a barrage of dissenting opinions.  Please, be gentle, I bruise easily.   

Swoop

 

[Timothy]

No ones gonna jump on you Swoop...

I will add this though.  I was the ripe old age of about 13 or 14 when I walked over to the mall and bought my Western Field 20 ga from Monkey Wards.  I also carried a handgun pretty regularly before I turned 21 back in the seventies in Northern California, exposed, not concealed.  I didn't buy the gun myself and I don't know that I could back then.  It was a loaner from a friend but anyone with any sense won't venture into lion country unarmed.  The townies and the local Barney Fifes never asked how old I was.  Hell, I didn't even have a valid drivers license at the time, military personnel didn't have to renew them back in the day.

I think it depends on the individual.  I've handled firearms as long as I can remember and my father would tan my hide if I did anything unsafely.  Old lessons are hard to shake off!

[TAB]

You can make laws around the "depends on the individual."  you have to go to the lowest level.

While I know a bunch of kids that would be perfectly fine with guns,  I also know a bunch of 40 years that are not fine with guns.


Then again I also think 16 is too young to drive, it should be 18.

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[Timothy]

I don't disagree with you TAB....

Big difference in the way kids of the 50's, 60's and 70's were raised.  We had parents, family structure, rules, consequences and punishments if we strayed from the straight and narrow line drawn.  Today, kids crap all over their parents, teachers, police any other authority that gets in their way.

I'm generalizing here, I know there are exceptions.....

[Majer]

Juvenile records are NOT sealed, Had a friend who went on a joy ride with a buddy of his when he was 15, He didn't know His friend had taken his mothers car without permission . They were stopped in New Hampshire and arrested/charged with grand theft auto.He went to court and told his case the Judge gave him probation with the usual "stay out of trouble until you're 18 and all charges will be dropped" Fast forward 15 years and He applied for his NY state CCW permit. He got a call asking him to stop in to the Sheriffs office. When he got there He was asked why he lied on his application, When he said he didn't they asked him if he was arrested in N.H. when he was 15, He said Yes, but he though that the records were sealed, They told him that the records are not sealed for them and that when a LE agency asks if you have ever been arrested you had better answer correctly. He did finally get his CCW, but he had to do some leg work to get a copy of the disposition of his case.

[twyacht]

I don't disagree with any of the last posts, including FQ's . Times have indeed changed. Not for the better with a large portion of this countries young folk.

My son turns 16 in March. He has his learning permit. Drives with his Mother in the car. Under NC law, next March, he's free to go it alone on the highways.

Does he have the life exp. and maturity we had at 16? Sadly, No..... Previous generations, grew up quickly out of direct necessity. Our parents relied on us to be the "man/woman" of the house, in their absence, and they meant it; and we knew they meant it.

The consequences were severe if we screwed up, and "most" of us learned quickly. Today, it's simply not the same in all cases.  I trust my son with firearms, he knows the rules, they are imprinted on his brain. However, that is only one aspect of his life. Girls, cars, ego, being young, and a living forever mindset, with no real comprehension of consequences can create stupidity. ( it did for me for awhile).

I hate to say or admit it, but a CCW for an 18 year old, in today's day and age, is worrisome to me. Not a blanket opinion, just an observation. Tempers in a teenager, can defy common sense.

Perhaps, it is possible, if more training and certifiable req's are met for those under 21. NRA, local gun shops holding hands on training, pro instructors offering a class specific to the 18-21 year old. etc,...

I'm not against it, I just think that age group needs "more" than what we had growing up.

Sorry for the rant.

[TAB]

He should not have lied on his app.

 the info in juv records varry from state to state.


edit,

about your kid getting his DL.  Most states still require either a guardian to sign or them to be emancipated.  Either way most states require insurance, which they can not legally get with out the above.

[Timothy]

Explain to an underage, young Marine or Troop coming home from a couple of tours in country that they cannot legally carry something they've had strapped to their thigh for several months or years.

Laws are made to control the unlawful.  My permits say; "All Lawful Purposes".....not self defense, hunting, et al....our Constitution has no age requirements.

On driving....I say that kids should begin training earlier rather than later, as we did.  I took Drivers Ed at fifteen and by my sixteenth birthday, I'd already been driving for a solid year.  I'd never send a kid off to college having just gotten a DL....