Shameless Sarah Brady Once Again Uses A Tragedy To Try And Further Her Agenda

[TAB]

There is a huge diffrence between a kid driving with a parent and them on thier own.

I have np with them getting a permit I just don't think they should be out there by themselfs at 16.

Its not so much the change in kids over the years as it is the road ways.

I've been driving about 15 years, and I've been hit 16 times.  all but 2 of them I was stoped at a red light for a extending period of time.

One I was backed into while driving in  a partking lot, the other they side swiped me on the free way. out of the 16x 15 have been women.  most of which were on cell phones at the tiem they hit me.

[Timothy]

Parents have to be involved.  I was driving something, mini-bikes, motorcycles, my dads (later mine) '65 Mustang when I was a kid on the farm, the tractors at my Uncles....etc....

My daughter was driving my car in parking lots when she was 14 or so.  State law requires that she take the "State Approved" bullshit course here but I'm the one responsible for teaching her to drive.  When she turned 16-1/2 she was more than adequately prepared to drive on her own.  Had I left it to the State of Massachusetts, she'd have died the first week!

[TAB]

I have a inlaw( great uncles wife)  who at 16, ran a red light and tboned a cop during her driving test.

She has never driven since.


 

[tombogan03884]

Count me with Tim and TAB on this, while the average 18-21 year old is not mature enough, There may currently be,(depending on state ) and should be, an exemption for military personnel, (You can enlist in the Guard at 16 )
As a side note, TAB can check if this is still the case, but in 2000 when I lived in Ca. some of the more remote counties issued an open carry permit to 16 year olds for Ranch work.

[TAB]

Count me with Tim and TAB on this, while the average 18-21 year old is not mature enough, There may currently be,(depending on state ) and should be, an exemption for military personnel, (You can enlist in the Guard at 16 )
As a side note, TAB can check if this is still the case, but in 2000 when I lived in Ca. some of the more remote counties issued an open carry permit to 16 year olds for Ranch work.

Its perfecly  legal to CC on private proerty at any age.

There are some rare execptions to where people under the age of 21 can still get a CCW in CA.


What drives me nuts is a LEO that is employed anywhere in the US can legally carry every where in US, even at 18.

One of the good things that the local SO does do, you can not carry off duty unless you go thru the CCW process.  I think thats great, on some many levels.

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[tombogan03884]

Its perfecly  legal to CC on private proerty at any age.

There are some rare execptions to where people under the age of 21 can still get a CCW in CA.


What drives me nuts is a LEO that is employed anywhere in the US can legally carry every where in US, even at 18.

One of the good things that the local SO does do, you can not carry off duty unless you go thru the CCW process.  I think thats great, on some many levels.

It was nearly 11 years ago, but the one I specifically remember was Mojave county, my understanding was that it was aimed at youngsters who might be working in an "Open range/ Public land setting, rather than strictly on "private property".
I may not agree with the requirements of various states, but I do agree that everyone who is allowed to carry meet the same requirements regardless of profession.

[TAB]

Most of the execptions are results of jobs that require you to be amred.  Most of which are DOJ based, but you are not a sworn officer.

There are alos biz execptions, but those generally only apply to "one the clock" times. thats something completely diffrent.

[tombogan03884]

Most of the execptions are results of jobs that require you to be amred.  Most of which are DOJ based, but you are not a sworn officer.

There are alos biz execptions, but those generally only apply to "one the clock" times. thats something completely diffrent.

You're the one on the scene, I'm working from memory, on this ( BUT NOTHING ELSE    )  I will defer to you.

[TAB]

CCW in CA is kind of a joke.

All the state says  is:

you have to be able to legally own a fire arm, be approved by the county sheriff and take a class that is no less then 8 hours, but no longer then 16.

That's it.  The sheriff can pretty much do what he wants.

[tombogan03884]

CCW in CA is kind of a joke.

All the state says  is:

you have to be able to legally own a fire arm, be approved by the county sheriff and take a class that is no less then 8 hours, but no longer then 16.

That's it.  The sheriff can pretty much do what he wants.

In Alameda County, where I lived what he wanted to do was charge $3000.