Why Is It So Easy To Topple These Guys ??

[billt]

Kadhafi, (or however the hell you spell it), is out on his ass with only one day of protests? This clown has been in power for over 30 years. What did he keep power with a baton and a can of MACE? This is almost silly. What are these ragheads made of? It's the same deal in Bahrain. That whole country is ready to go up in smoke simply because the people are pissed off at the big buck towelhead family that is currently running the show over there. These ragheads are a bunch of tough talking muslim wimps with no backbone! Israel could wipe them all out in 5 minutes. Someone make the popcorn!  Bill T.

[twyacht]

Reminds me of inner city gang on gang violence. Let them win by attrition. Let them kill each other by the truckloads, all for Allah, and their virgins....

The end game is what inherits the mess? A caliphate? An anti American, anti Israel, Islamic State?

A unified extreme iron fist of Muslim Sharia Law that occupies several countries, including OPEC involved states that send our gas prices to $5.00 a gallon?

Libya STFU after 9/11, and Mubarek was paid well for his accomodations.   We'll see what comes next....They are all just a bunch of thugs, being gnawed on from the inside.


Let em' chew.....

[fightingquaker13]

Kadhafi, (or however the hell you spell it), is out on his ass with only one day of protests? This clown has been in power for over 30 years. What did he keep power with a baton and a can of MACE? This is almost silly. What are these ragheads made of? It's the same deal in Bahrain. That whole country is ready to go up in smoke simply because the people are pissed off at the big buck towelhead family that is currently running the show over there. These ragheads are a bunch of tough talking muslim wimps with no backbone! Israel could wipe them all out in 5 minutes. Someone make the popcorn!  Bill T.

You have it exactly wrong Bill. The dictators are out because they built their house on sand. There is no overarching ideology or shared sense of justice. They rule on a combination of threats, bribery and finger pointing/playing the blame game. That only goes so far. People get too desperate to be afraid anymore, the army stops taking the money and no one blames Israel, but you. If Israel did invade? They'd fight to the last camel, beause it was a foriegn power. How many Iraqui's liked Sadaam? How many hate us because we are foriegners in their country? The middle eastern dictatorships are houses of cards. The only thing that can prop them up is if they try to blame outsiders for a home grown revolt. Watch Iran. They have already started this game.
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[billt]

If Israel did invade? They'd fight to the last camel, beause it was a foriegn power.

You mean like Egypt did against them in the 6 day war?     Bill T.

[fightingquaker13]

You mean like Egypt did against them in the 6 day war?     Bill T.

Israel beat their army. It didn't try to occupy Egypt. Two very different things. Beating an army is easy if you have better weapons and tactics and soldiers. Occupying a country full of folks who don't want you there? That's a horse of a different color. Too bad Cheney and Rumsfeld, just like MacNamara, never got the memo on that one. Go in, kick their ass and get out. Its all good. Go in and stay? You'll wish you hadn't. Its just that easy.
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[billt]

Israel beat their army. It didn't try to occupy Egypt. Two very different things. Beating an army is easy if you have better weapons and tactics and soldiers. Occupying a country full of folks who don't want you there? FQ13

Israel doesn't want to "occupy" anyone. They simply want to live in peace, and prevent others from occupying them. However that is something the hate filled Arabs do not understand or accept, let alone live. Now Iran is trying to provoke Israel by sending their navy ships into the Suez Canal. These people are doing everything they possibly can to provoke a fight with Israel. They better watch what they wish for. They are going to take this one step too far and Israel will unleash the wrath of God on them. Arabs as a fighting machine are a clumsy, stupid, disorganized bunch. Always have been, are now, and always will be. Look at Iraq and Iran. They sparred at each other for over ten years and accomplished nothing.

Israel has this whole thing well planned. They will be ready when the time comes. They will take it as far as they have to. Remember they are facing total annihilation. That crazy Iranian idiot has said as much. Over and over. They are going to get a fight the likes of which they've never dreamed. If it goes nuclear, so be it. Arab muslims are the most pathetic people on the face of this Earth. Remember, most of these countries do not have their people on their side. Their own citizens hate them as much or more than the countries along with the armies they are opposing. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Fortunately, they can't stop killing each other long enough to mount any kind of organized attack against anyone else. It's been that way for eons. You can't fight well when your nothing more than a crazed religious faction filled with hate. A good army that can put up a good fight runs on tactical knowledge, along with the ability to transport and supply it's forces. Much like North Korea, the arabs can do none of the above. When it happens look for the arab world to suffer a large depopulation. They certainly deserve it, and Israel is just the country to give it to them.  Bill T.

[fightingquaker13]

Israel has done exactly that in the Occupied Territories (hence the name) for fifty years. It hasn't worked out too well. Again, we should learn two lessons. One, religious fanataics, whether they be Jewish or Muslim (or the Christians who fund the Jews ) are a PITA and more trouble than they are worth. Lesson the second? Taking land from an inferior army is easy. Holding it against a hostile and determined civilian poulation is almost impossible. Just MHO.
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[billt]

Israel has existed since 1947. All of the time it has been surrounded by hostile enemy forces who want nothing more than to annihilate them, and take their land. They're still there, stronger and better prepared than ever. The only bad thing Israel has to deal with right now is an American President who is weak, stupid, and sympathetic to the arab muslims. Other than that they are more than capable of holding their own against any arab country.   Bill T.

[crusader rabbit]

Billt, you are precisely correct.  If the surrounding mooslum countries were to lay down their arms today, there would be peace in the Middle East tomorrow.  If Israel were to lay down its arms today, there would be no Israel tomorrow.

The seemingly easy overthrow of these various despots has more to do with simple human rights than anything political.  If you squash any group of people under the boot of tyranny for long enough, that group will eventually realize they have nothing more to lose and rise up. The uprising is facilitated if all classes are squashed--then they tend to unify, at least for the period of time needed for the overthrow.

Mubarak realized that the entire diversity of Egyptian citizens had finally had enough. (This may have been the only time in history that the Coptics and the Shia and the Sunnis were all in agreement.) He further realized that his military was not going to fire upon its own citizens.  He left in 18 days.  It was a smart move on the part of Mubarak.

Gaddhafi (at this moment) retains control of the military, and they have shown no compunction about shooting their citizens.  It may be a little harder to topple this one.  Eventually, he will go as do all despotic regimes.  But remember, it took generations for the Russians to overthrow the Tzars and generations more to overthrow the reds who assumed power.  The North Koreans have yet to rise up.  It's not something that happens overnight--especially if the despot is deemed to be benevolent.  But it always happens eventually.

I think the troubling thing about what we are seeing in the Middle-East is that the Mooslum Brotherhood appears to be the only well-established and wide spread group in the area.  They appear to be positioned to assume a leadership role, and they hate the West.

I believe we are just beginning to see how truly ugly things can get.

[JC5123]

Anyone else get the feeling like it's just a matter of time before we see full on riots here?
State governments are (finally) getting serious about the unions.
Food prices are going to rise upwards of 50% this year.
Fuel prices are on the rise.
Federal and State governments have run out of other peoples money.
Extremely high unemployment, with no end in sight.

What we have is a powder keg on a short fuse. Scarier still is the probability that the leadership in this country has made his living inciting exactly these types of people. The ones who only exist because of the government robbing someone else on their behalf. Whose side do you think he'll be on.

I have seen several comments on the various news stories that have libs screaming about using their second amendment rights to overthrow the state government in Wisconsin. When will these idiots realize that violent overthrow would be (for them) biting the hand that feeds you. Who do they think writes those paychecks?

I for one have ramped up my stockpiling slightly. I just feel that with the government almost assuredly shutting down for awhile, and all the civil unrest going on not only around the world, but inside our own borders, I should at least be as ready as I can be if something happens. Sadly I feel that, at this point, it's only a matter of time.