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Timothy

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« Reply #130 on: April 23, 2011, 07:23:32 AM »
Well, which one is the proper choice to support America, the F-150 or the Accord, or neither?

Personally, I wouldn't buy either.

I do my research and when possible I buy US manufactured goods.  It's not easy....just yesterday I found a 100% US made clothing company that will get my money.  Affordable as well....

The rest of you can do what you want, I don't give a flying f.u.c.k anymore about any ones opinion!

Sell America to the highest bidder...we're doomed as a society anyway!

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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #131 on: April 23, 2011, 07:26:48 AM »
And....the F150 is built in Kansas City, MO...since 2008

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=29165

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« Reply #132 on: April 23, 2011, 07:44:02 AM »
Personally, I wouldn't buy either.

I do my research and when possible I buy US manufactured goods.  It's not easy....just yesterday I found a 100% US made clothing company that will get my money.  Affordable as well....

The rest of you can do what you want, I don't give a flying f.u.c.k anymore about any ones opinion!

Sell America to the highest bidder...we're doomed as a society anyway!

Timothy, if you have the information that can help one make a pro American choice please share it.

I do not know where to start to do the research on the sources of materials for any company, clothing or vehicle or firearm.

I am sure I, as well as others, would prefer to be able to make an informed pro American choice.

Thanks and take care.
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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #133 on: April 23, 2011, 08:00:57 AM »

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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #134 on: April 23, 2011, 08:22:14 AM »
Solus....auto's are bit tougher. 

I believe that to be considered "domestic" they only need be comprised of 60% domestically produced parts.  That number used to be 80% until Congress decided to sell off the American production capacity to the foreigners under NAFTA....Japanese auto makers got smart when we started taxing the crap out of imports back in the day.  By producing their cars here, they can reap the benefits of lower taxes and other things.

I have no problem with either auto mentioned earlier.  I just don't need a full size truck and don't care much for the Accord's styling.  I was looking at a CRV last year but they are still built in Japan and shipped here for sale.  I'm back looking at vehicles again but it's not getting easier.  The manufacturers are hiding this information from the consumer, it's not easy to find.

I'll more than likely buy something used anyway and then the point becomes moot in my opinion (which doesn't mean bupkus).   My money is going to the dealer that has the car and I do the majority of my own maintenance.

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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #135 on: April 23, 2011, 08:47:56 AM »
The whole "Buy American" argument is a bit pointless today with a global economy so much in play. What's "American" anyway? A Honda Accord made in Marysville, Ohio, or a Ford F-150 assembled in Mexico? Yes, you can argue the profits go to the home corporation. Honda in Japan, and Ford in Michigan. But that argument doesn't really hold water because of the diversification of employees each company has working for them. The American Honda worker in Marysville supports his family here, and buys goods and services in this country, not Japan. The opposite can be said of the Mexican worker Ford employs.

It's the same with guns. Is my Springfield Armory 1911 that is made by Imbrel in Brazil anymore American than my Glock made in Austria, but assembled in Smyrna, Georgia? With Ruger everything is made here, either in New England or else in Prescott, Arizona. Perhaps some parts they use such as springs, pins, etc. are imported, I don't know. The same with Remington and several others like Marlin.

But I think we've reached a point with guns that you really don't know where the money ultimately winds up, let alone who it really supports. Rock Island Armory 1911's are a good example. Is Rock Island Armory an American company producing their weapons in a factory in the Philippines? If so are they any different than Nike producing their line of tennis shoes in Viet Nam? This stuff gets more complicated every day. The old saying used to always be, "Follow the money". Now you have to be an Investment Banker to do that!  Bill T.
I agree with the auto industry and many other industries that this is the case but there are still some pretty clearly identifiable American companies in the firearms industry. With 1911's you can buy a Kimber, Colt, STI, S&W and now Ruger and get an all American pistol. Remington is made here but is owned by a foreign investment group. Even with the Remington even with the money leaving the country at some point at least it was done with American workers. I personally wouldn't buy a Springfield 1911 even though the higher end models may have American frames because of their practice of doing so much business in Brazil. If I want an item and there's no American option, like a Glock (even though they're doing a lot more assembly in Georgia now so at least US workers benefit) I'll buy what I want. If there's an obvious American choice when I buy something then I will buy that, even at a slight premium.

The auto industry has been clouded for quite a while, not just Honda but Nissan, Toyota, Mazda (partially owned by Ford) and others have been assembling cars in the US for decades. There have been some research that shows that many "Japanese" cars have more American parts and labor hours than many "American" cars so this line is blurred. Thankfully the firearms industry is much clearer. It also uses a lot of skilled labor and higher paying jobs that we as consumers need to support and keep in the US.
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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #136 on: April 23, 2011, 09:20:58 AM »
Remington is made here but is owned by a foreign investment group.

Remington Arms is owned by Cerberus Capitol Management which is headquartered in New York. They also own Marlin, Bushmaster, and DPMS. There may be others as well. They are buying firearm companies on an almost continual basis. Now, how many foreign investors do they have? I have no idea, and it would be all but impossible to find out. They are selling bundled investments in these gun companies under the title "Freedom Group". It gets confusing, and you damn near need a score card to keep up.  Bill T.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #137 on: April 24, 2011, 07:26:37 PM »
Remington Arms is owned by Cerberus Capitol Management which is headquartered in New York. They also own Marlin, Bushmaster, and DPMS. There may be others as well. They are buying firearm companies on an almost continual basis. Now, how many foreign investors do they have? I have no idea, and it would be all but impossible to find out. They are selling bundled investments in these gun companies under the title "Freedom Group". It gets confusing, and you damn near need a score card to keep up.  Bill T.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management
I'm pretty sure they're the same company that either owns or owned Chrysler/Dodge as well. I remember when they took over Dodge the news reported they were based in Europe. Like you said it gets pretty confusing trying to keep track of it all.
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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #138 on: April 24, 2011, 10:39:42 PM »
Cerberus sold Chrysler to Fiat.  I don't know where they are based though. 

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Re: A Ruger 1911 at last....
« Reply #139 on: April 25, 2011, 07:26:44 AM »
I'll start a new thread.....

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=16252.msg208814#msg208814

Thanks, Tim.   I see that thread as a continued resource for me at least.  

I have noticed you have added postings to the originals in a category.  That is also great for the future.

Thanks for your time and effort on this and for caring about it enough to do the work.

Take care.
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