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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2011, 02:04:12 PM »
Interesting updates and commentary:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html
    * Obama took sixteen hours to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
Not exactly the gutsy, snap decision it was made out to be. Military left hanging while he "slept on it."
Again, the Brits deliver the news the US MSM WILL NOT report

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/obls_death_a_victory_for_the_a.html
    *     OBL's Death a Victory for the Adults
"When you drill down, the death of bin Laden has nothing to do with the core beliefs of this President or the entire liberal movement."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/no-class-obama-snubs-bush-praises-himself/
    *     No Class: Obama snubs Bush, praises himself
Somewhere this AM I read where bho mentioned himself as "I", "me", or "my" numerous times in his announcement re' OBL's killing.

unrelated to OBL but expressive as to the people we are dealing with - - - in DC anyhow - http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/white-house-asked-california-paper-to-take-out-unflattering-remark-about-first-lady/
White House asked California paper to take out unflattering remark about first lady

And from the leftoid libtards at Salon . . .
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa
"USA! USA!" is the wrong response
Bin Laden's death is a great relief, but by cheering it we're mimicking our worst enemies
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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #81 on: May 04, 2011, 07:01:47 PM »
I heard today that I-bama is going to Ground Zero to gloat.  It's his first trip since becoming Pres.

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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2011, 07:38:38 PM »
Glad Bin Laden is dead. Proud of the team/s that were involved and none were harmed. But just like a dope dealer, there are more out there to take his place. The job is never finished. Just like the Spec Op's Teams never quit training.

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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2011, 04:39:13 AM »
Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them. The only thing you can’t do is ignore them

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Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them. The only thing you can’t do is ignore them

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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2011, 06:37:19 AM »
I heard today that I-bama is going to Ground Zero to gloat.  It's his first trip since becoming Pres.

Headline from this morning:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/04/obama-administration-takes-victory-lap-in-clown-car/
Obama Administration takes victory lap in clown car

FTA: "Let’s start with that speech Sunday night. It was originally announced for 10:30 but didn’t happen until 11:30. By that time, the news Obama was supposed to be breaking had broken already. Not the best start. Presumably he was delayed arguing with his speechwriters about keeping in all the “I,” “Me,” and “Mine.” Everything having to do with this raid was “I”; anything that could be attributed to the Bush administration was “We.” “I gave the order, I did this, I did that.” The hallmark of any great leader is a willingness to bravely take credit for the hard work and sacrifice of others.

Then there’s the official narrative of the raid, which has already gone through more versions than the Star Wars movies. First Bin Laden had a gun; then he didn’t. He hid behind one of his wives, who was killed; wait, no, scratch that, she’s alive and wasn’t his wife. Maybe? Now Leon Panetta says he and President Obama didn’t actually see the whole thing go down, after the White House made a point of releasing that instantly iconic picture of the whole gang watching it go down."

PS: It comes out today that the picture was staged, not real time. Nice bunch of "leaders" we have here, no?  >:(
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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #86 on: May 05, 2011, 11:26:16 AM »
Headline from this morning:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/04/obama-administration-takes-victory-lap-in-clown-car/
Obama Administration takes victory lap in clown car

FTA: "Let’s start with that speech Sunday night. It was originally announced for 10:30 but didn’t happen until 11:30. By that time, the news Obama was supposed to be breaking had broken already. Not the best start. Presumably he was delayed arguing with his speechwriters about keeping in all the “I,” “Me,” and “Mine.” Everything having to do with this raid was “I”; anything that could be attributed to the Bush administration was “We.” “I gave the order, I did this, I did that.” The hallmark of any great leader is a willingness to bravely take credit for the hard work and sacrifice of others.

Then there’s the official narrative of the raid, which has already gone through more versions than the Star Wars movies. First Bin Laden had a gun; then he didn’t. He hid behind one of his wives, who was killed; wait, no, scratch that, she’s alive and wasn’t his wife. Maybe? Now Leon Panetta says he and President Obama didn’t actually see the whole thing go down, after the White House made a point of releasing that instantly iconic picture of the whole gang watching it go down."

PS: It comes out today that the picture was staged, not real time. Nice bunch of "leaders" we have here, no?  >:(

Which is why I will henceforth refer to him as Ibama.

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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #87 on: May 05, 2011, 11:58:44 AM »
Interesting updates and commentary:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html
    * Obama took sixteen hours to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
Not exactly the gutsy, snap decision it was made out to be. Military left hanging while he "slept on it."
Again, the Brits deliver the news the US MSM WILL NOT report

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/obls_death_a_victory_for_the_a.html
    *     OBL's Death a Victory for the Adults
"When you drill down, the death of bin Laden has nothing to do with the core beliefs of this President or the entire liberal movement."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/no-class-obama-snubs-bush-praises-himself/
    *     No Class: Obama snubs Bush, praises himself
Somewhere this AM I read where bho mentioned himself as "I", "me", or "my" numerous times in his announcement re' OBL's killing.

unrelated to OBL but expressive as to the people we are dealing with - - - in DC anyhow - http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/white-house-asked-california-paper-to-take-out-unflattering-remark-about-first-lady/
White House asked California paper to take out unflattering remark about first lady

And from the leftoid libtards at Salon . . .
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa
"USA! USA!" is the wrong response
Bin Laden's death is a great relief, but by cheering it we're mimicking our worst enemies


16 hours, it would have taken me about 16 second.

The only reason why it took that long was me trying to figure out whats the fastest way to kill him...

It would have went down some thing like this.

"we know where osama is"

" are you sure?"

"yep"

" whats the closest asset to kill him?"

"*insert name of the asset*"

"Go, Go, Go!"
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #88 on: May 05, 2011, 07:02:12 PM »
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FOREIGN Minister Kevin Rudd has been drawn into an ugly international dispute over intelligence revelations, which Pakistan says could have disrupted the top-secret US operation to kill Osama bin Laden.

Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency claims Mr Rudd "shattered" a confidence by publicly confirming the arrest of Bali bomber and al-Qa'ida acolyte Umar Patek in late March.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade's most senior official, secretary Dennis Richardson, yesterday dismissed the claims as "untrue and absurd".

But an ISI spokesman told The Australian yesterday Pakistani authorities had deliberately kept secret Patek's arrest in January - in the same town where bin Laden was found and killed this week - for fear that "subsequent leads would all go dead".
<http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rudd-in-row-over-osama-allys-arrest/story-fn59niix-1226050795277>

good old KRudd just has to be in everything...
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Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2011, 10:04:57 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.html

Forget whatever you think you know about the night Osama bin Laden was killed. According to a former Navy SEAL who claims to have the inside track, the mangled tales told of that historic night have only now been corrected.

“It became obvious in the weeks evolving after the mission that the story that was getting put out there was not only untrue, but it was a really ugly farce of what did happen,” said Chuck Pfarrer, author of Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden.

In an extensive interview with The Daily Caller, Pfarrer gave a detailed account of why he believes the record needed to be corrected, and why he set out to share the personal stories of the warriors who penetrated bin Laden’s long-secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

In August the New Yorker delivered a riveting blow-by-blow of the SEALs’ May 1, 2011 raid on bin Laden’s hideaway. In that account, later reported to lack contributions from the SEALs involved, readers are taken through a mission that began with a top-secret helicopter crashing and led to a bottom-up assault of the Abbottabad compound.

Freelancer Nicholas Schmidle wrote that the SEALs had shot and blasted their way up floor-by-floor, finally cornering the bewildered Al-Qaida leader:

    “The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed. ‘There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,’ the special-operations officer told me. (The Administration maintains that had bin Laden immediately surrendered he could have been taken alive.) Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye.”

Chuck Pfarrer rejects almost all of that story.

“The version of the 45-minute firefight, and the ground-up assault, and the cold-blooded murder on the third floor — that wasn’t the mission,” Pfarrer told TheDC.

“I had to try and figure out, well, look: Why is this story not what I’m hearing? Why is it so off and how is it so off?” he recounted. “One of the things I sort of determined was, OK, somebody was told ‘one of the insertion helicopters crashed.’ OK, well that got muddled to ‘a helicopter crashed on insertion.’”

The helicopters, called “Stealth Hawks,” are inconspicuous machines concealing cutting-edge technology. They entered the compound as planned, with “Razor 1″ disembarking its team of SEALs on the roof of the compound — not on the ground level. There was no crash landing. That wouldn’t occur until after bin Laden was dead.

Meanwhile, “Razor 2″ took up a hovering position so that its on-board snipers, some of whom had also participated in the sea rescue of Maersk Alabama captain Richard Phillips, had a clear view of anyone fleeing the compound.

The SEALs then dropped down from the roof, immediately penetrated the third floor, and hastily encountered bin Laden in his room. He was not standing still.

“He dived across the king-size bed to get at the AKSU rifle he kept by the headboard,” wrote Pfarrer in his book. It was at that moment, a mere 90 seconds after the SEALs first set foot on the roof, that two American bullets shattered bin Laden’s chest and head, killing a man who sought violence to the very end.

President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.

“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”

But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

And in the days that followed, as politicians sought to thrust their identities into the details of the bin Laden kill, the tale began to grow out of control, said Pfarrer.

“The president made a statement, and as far as that goes, that was fine, that was the mission statement,” he explained. “But, soon after … politicians began leaking information from every orifice. And it was like a game of Chinese telephone. These guys didn’t know what they were talking about. Very few of them had even seen the video feed.”

Pfarrer suggests that much of the misinformation was likely born out of operational ignorance, even among those sitting in the White House.

“One of the things that happened was that there were only a handful of people who know about this mission,” he said. “On the civilian side, there were only a handful of people in the situation room who were watching the drone feed. They were looking at the roof of a building taken from a rotating aircraft at 35,000 feet.”

“None of those guys, not a single one of them, had a background in special operations, with the exception of General Webb who was sitting there running a laptop,” Pfarrer went on. “No one knew or could even imagine what was going on inside the building. They didn’t know.”

“There was an alternative feed going to CIA headquarters where Leon Panetta sat there with the communications brevity codes [a guide sheet for the mission's radio lingo] in his lap and a SEAL off-screen by his side to be able to tell him what was going on,” he said. “But these guys, none of them, really knew what they were looking at.”

As the media raised more questions, officials gave more answers.

Whether or not bin Laden resisted ultimately developed into a barrage of murky official and unofficial explanations in the days following. And statements from as high as then-CIA Director Leon Panetta offered confirmation that the endeavor was a “kill mission.”

Pfarrer dismisses that assertion.

“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer, who maintains that bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered. “Unlike the Germans in World War II, if you’re a petty officer, a chief petty officer, a naval officer, and you’re giving an order to murder somebody, that’s an unlawful order.”

Pfarrer also suggests some of the emerging claims were simply self-aggrandizing “fairy tales.”

“The story they tried to tell — it’s preposterous. And the CIA tried to jump in. About mid-June the CIA tried to jump into the car and drive the victory lap. There’s this whole stuff about the CIA guy joining the operation, the gallant interpreter — he couldn’t even fast rope!” exclaimed Pfarrer, referring to a technique for descending from an airborne helicopter.

“There’s this fairy tale about him walking out of the compound during the operation to tell crowds of Pakistanis to go home and everything’s OK.”

Pfarrer tried to put this in perspective: “Do you mean that during the middle of this military operation at night, with hovering helicopters over this odd house in this neighborhood, that people came out of their houses to ask what’s going on, instead of [remaining] huddled in their basement?”

“And I think that there were so many of these leaks that were incorrect, the administration couldn’t walk them all back,” Pfarrer explained. “And so, in the middle of May, they froze everything.”

It was that freeze-out that left Chuck Pfarrer with nowhere to turn for the real story but the SEALs themselves.

Seal Target Geronimo delivers an account of the night Osama bin Laden died with a level of detail unlike anything previously reported. Pfarrer bills the story as “absolutely factual.”

“That’s the other thing. I’m prepared for the White House to say, you know, ‘this is full of inaccuracies,’ et cetera,” offered Pfarrer. He told TheDC that in order to protect American interests, his book is “full of names that are made up, and it is full of bases that are not quite where they really should be.”

“But the timeline of my events,” he cautions, “and the manner in which it happened is 100 percent accurate. And they’ll know that.”

 

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