9mm carry ammo

[fullautovalmet76]

Does anybody really know the answer to this? I mean, I could go on about the wonders of Hydrashock or Golden Sabres, and others can talk about different brands. But do we really know what the hell we are talking about? To me, I have gotten a bit cynical about the whole thing. I'm thinking that if its a jacketed hollow point that feeds reliably and goes bang every time, I'm not sure that there is much of a difference. Am I wrong here?
FQ13 who doesn't want to be carry trash, but I'm not really sure how one quality brand is that much better than the other as long as your pistol likes it.

I agree with Quaker to a point here. That point is really "knowing" what and how a bullet will perform when coming in contact with the target. I know there's the ballistic gelatin test created by Dr. Martin Fackler but even he'll tell you it is an approximation of what happens when a bullet penetrates a human. So I guess I'm saying nothing is 100%.

I use the Winchester 147 gr PDX1 rounds in my 9mm and as far as velocity they are traveling about 950 fps +/-. I would say to MaOfficer to try several different brands and test them using this procedure:
From low ready/high ready with your support hand only.
Fire 6 rounds into an 8" circle at 10 yards in 3 seconds.

The purpose for me is to see if I can control the gun with this round with my support hand to see if I can get "combat accurate" hits on a target in a short period of time. If the gun is snapping so badly that you can not keep the rounds on target, try another.

Disclaimer: I am definitely not an expert on this so I know there is much to be improved on with my approach; but there is some logic to it.

[Solus]

I agree with Quaker to a point here. That point is really "knowing" what and how a bullet will perform when coming in contact with the target. I know there's the ballistic gelatin test created by Dr. Martin Fackler but even he'll tell you it is an approximation of what happens when a bullet penetrates a human. So I guess I'm saying nothing is 100%.

I use the Winchester 147 gr PDX1 rounds in my 9mm and as far as velocity they are traveling about 950 fps +/-. I would say to MaOfficer to try several different brands and test them using this procedure:
From low ready/high ready with your support hand only.
Fire 6 rounds into an 8" circle at 10 yards in 3 seconds.

The purpose for me is to see if I can control the gun with this round with my support hand to see if I can get "combat accurate" hits on a target in a short period of time. If the gun is snapping so badly that you can not keep the rounds on target, try another.

Disclaimer: I am definitely not an expert on this so I know there is much to be improved on with my approach; but there is some logic to it.

True, but ballistic gelatin is the best approximation we have readily available.  If we could use cadavers, or live bodies we might get a better approximation...but maybe not...all the variables of what the shot passed through on it's way to vital organs may make it tough to determine consistent performance, where the gelatin will give consistent medium.

This procedure will give a standard measure with which to compare different configurations.

After you have a relative ranking of different bullet configurations, you then need to do your testing for total reliability and what ever degree of accuracy you feel you need for what you want to accomplish.

I'll stick with the gelatin results by reliable testers to sort my preference order, then choose the highest one that meets my reliability, accuracy, usability and affordability criteria.

[MaOfficer6707]

Thanks for all the info!

[Frosty]

Since I CCW & work part time as armed security, I carry what the Security Co. says I must which is Speer Gold Dot because that's what Den. PD. uses. So I use what I have to.

[bafsu92]

Gold Dot 124gr +p is the most used load by LE and security forces. The CorBon is a good load but I like using the Gold Dot's because it's unlikely that this load will ever be called into question in court in a self defense situation since it's basically LE endorsed.

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[garand4life]

I just picked up a couple boxes of Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense series 9mm. It has better numbers than Hornady CD or TAP (non +P). I just don't know anything more about them beyond the numbers. I've read that they share many commonalities with the Golden Sabre series. Any thoughts?

[fullautovalmet76]

Here's a web site that is devoted to ballistics

http://www.brassfetcher.com

Take a look at some his ballistic tests of 9mm ammo. And be sure to look at the high speed video too; I like the one on 147 gr. Black Talon.

[fightingquaker13]

Here's a web site that is devoted to ballistics

http://www.brassfetcher.com

Take a look at some his ballistic tests of 9mm ammo. And be sure to look at the high speed video too; I like the one on 147 gr. Black Talon.

Aren't those made under a different name now, after all the hoopla about cops using "killer bullets" a few years ago?
FQ13 who wonders why you'd use a bullet that wasn't designed to kill.

[fullautovalmet76]

Aren't those made under a different name now, after all the hoopla about cops using "killer bullets" a few years ago?
FQ13 who wonders why you'd use a bullet that wasn't designed to kill.

The PDX1 rounds I carry look very similar to them, except for the black coating. I think they changed the name to Ranger TSX, or something like that, for LEOs.

[Solus]

I just picked up a couple boxes of Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense series 9mm. It has better numbers than Hornady CD or TAP (non +P). I just don't know anything more about them beyond the numbers. I've read that they share many commonalities with the Golden Sabre series. Any thoughts?

By numbers do you mean muzzle velocity and energy or do you include gelatin penetration and expansion also?

Thanks and take care.