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[fightingquaker13]

Both valid points for their period.  But looking at the period closer to the beginning of WWII Germany's economy was being hurt primarily by the fact that unless you were Jewish you paid a premium for everything you bought.  A HUGE premium.  And the origin of the premium was simply the jewish business community controlling prices.  How did Hitler spin the economy in a 180, put people back to work, make food affordable, housing, even luxuries?  He shut down the jewish businesses.  Yes, it was comprable to a witch hunt in that if somebody accused you of jewish favoratism...  You were LUCKY if all they did was shut your stores doors and label you as unfit to buy from.  This tactic WORKED.  Worked fast.  I'm not sure, but believe it was only 6 months Hitler was in office before he'd successfully turned things in the right direction, and was recieving world wide recognition for it.  

Time magazine:


If you ask most americans, and I did ask a few of my kids friends who just got out of world history a few weeks back.  They'll tell you. "WWII started because Hitler was killing all the jews and the rest of the world wasn't going to let him."...  Ohhhh, boy.    

Tom, appreciate your commentary!  But UPS just came with my scope!  LATER!  

Badger:
Oh boy, .................I like you so I'm not going to just unload. I will be calm about this and ask one simple, polite question. WHAT THE f..k ARE YOU THINKING? The German economy was in the crapper because of the reparations required after WWI (no Jews in the room). Anti-semitism (substitute anti anythingism) as a way to say "hey guys, look over  there" and keep your eye off the ball is a time honored political tactic going back to when Nero blamed the Christians for the burning of Rome. The Jews "had it coming" about as much as the Roman Christians, the Cherokees in Georgia or any other minority that got in the way of other people's plans for power. To say otherwise isn't just wrong, it's ignorant, as history is full of examples. Hitler was an opportunist who used cultural prejudice to his advantage. The Jews did nothing to be exterminated as a race. They just were a good excuse for a group of elites to take power. Badger, try reading a bit. Honestly, "The Jews brought about the depression"? How many mandated reparations, drafted Smoot-Hawley, or  sat on The Dow? C'mon man, let's not forget what our grandfathers died fighting against.  
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Badger:
Oh boy, .................I like you so I'm not going to just unload. I will be calm about this and ask one simple, polite question. WHAT THE f..k ARE YOU THINKING? The German economy was in the crapper because of the reparations required after WWI (no Jews in the room). Anti-semitism (substitute anti anythingism) as a way to say "hey guys, look over  there" and keep your eye off the ball is a time honored political tactic going back to when Nero blamed the Christians for the burning of Rome. The Jews "had it coming" about as much as the Roman Christians, the Cherokees in Georgia or any other minority that got in the way of other people's plans for power. To say otherwise isn't just wrong, it's ignorant, as history is full of examples. Hitler was an opportunist who used cultural prejudice to his advantage. The Jews did nothing to be exterminated as a race. They just were a good excuse for a group of elites to take power. Badger, try reading a bit. Honestly, "The Jews brought about the depression"? How many mandated reparations, drafted Smoot-Hawley, or  sat on The Dow? C'mon man, let's not forget what our grandfathers died fighting against. 
FQ13

Mark this on the calendar, I actually agree with what FQ posted .
As for AH being on the cover of TIME, that's not exactly a recommendation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year


Year    Choice    Lifetime    Notes
1927    Charles Lindbergh     USA    1902–1974    
1928    Walter Chrysler     USA    1875–1940    
1929    Owen D. Young     USA    1874–1962    
1930    Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi     British Raj    1869–1948    
1931    Pierre Laval     France    1883–1945    
1932    Franklin D. Roosevelt     USA    1882–1945    
1933    Hugh Samuel Johnson     USA    1882–1942    
1934    Franklin D. Roosevelt     USA    1882–1945    
1935    Emperor Haile Selassie I     Ethiopia    1892–1975    
1936    Wallis Simpson     USA    1896–1986    
1937    Chiang Kai-shek     Republic of China    1887–1975    
Soong May-ling     Republic of China    1898–2003    
1938    Adolf Hitler     Germany    1889–1945    
1939    Joseph Stalin     USSR    1878–1953    
1940    Winston Churchill     UK    1874–1965    
1941    Franklin D. Roosevelt     USA    1882–1945    
1942    Joseph Stalin     USSR    1878–1953    
1943    George Marshall     USA    1880–1959    
1944    Dwight D. Eisenhower     USA    1890–1969    
1945    Harry S. Truman     USA    1884–1972    
1946    James F. Byrnes     USA    1879–1972    
1947    George Marshall     USA    1880–1959    
1948    Harry S. Truman     USA    1884–1972    
1949    Winston Churchill     UK    1874–1965    Man of the half-century
1950    The American fighting-man     USA       Representing Korean War troops
1951    Mohammed Mossadegh     Iran    1882–1967    
1952    Queen Elizabeth II    [n 1]    1926–    
1953    Konrad Adenauer     West Germany    1876–1967    
1954    John Foster Dulles     USA    1888–1959    
1955    Harlow Curtice     USA    1893–1962    
1956    The Hungarian freedom fighter     Hungary       
1957    Nikita Khrushchev     USSR    1894–1971    
1958    Charles de Gaulle     France    1890–1970    
1959    Dwight D. Eisenhower     USA    1890–1969    
1960    American scientists     USA       Represented by George Beadle, Charles Draper, John Enders, Donald A. Glaser, Joshua Lederberg, Willard Libby, Linus Pauling, Edward Purcell, Isidor Rabi, Emilio Segrè, William Shockley, Edward Teller, Charles Townes, James Van Allen, and Robert Woodward
1961    John F. Kennedy     USA    1917–1963    
1962    Pope John XXIII     Holy See/ Italy    1881–1963    
1963    Martin Luther King, Jr.     USA    1929–1968    
1964    Lyndon B. Johnson     USA    1908–1973    
1965    William Westmoreland     USA    1914–2005    
1966    Baby boomers          
1967    Lyndon B. Johnson     USA    1908–1973    
1968    The Apollo 8 astronauts     USA       William Anders, Frank Borman, and Jim Lovell
1969    The middle Americans     USA       Also referred to as the Silent Majority[8]
1970    Willy Brandt     West Germany    1913–1992    
1971    Richard Nixon     USA    1913–1994    
1972    Richard Nixon     USA    1913–1994    
Henry Kissinger     USA    1923–    
1973    John Sirica     USA    1904–1992    
1974    King Faisal     Saudi Arabia    1906–1975    
1975    American women     USA       Represented by Susan Brownmiller, Kathleen Byerly, Alison Cheek, Jill Conway, Betty Ford, Ella Grasso, Carla Hills, Barbara Jordan, Billie Jean King, Carol Sutton, Susie Sharp, and Addie Wyatt
1976    Jimmy Carter     USA    1924–    
1977    Anwar Sadat     Egypt    1918–1981    
1978    Deng Xiaoping     People's Republic of China    1904–1997    
1979    Ayatollah Khomeini     Iran    1902–1989    
1980    Ronald Reagan     USA    1911–2004    
1981    Lech Wałęsa     Poland    1943–    
1982    The Computer          Machine of the Year
1983    Ronald Reagan     USA    1911–2004    
Yuri Andropov     USSR    1914–1984    
1984    Peter Ueberroth     USA    1937–    
1985    Deng Xiaoping     People's Republic of China    1904–1997    
1986    Corazon C. Aquino     Philippines    1933–2009    
1987    Mikhail Gorbachev     USSR    1931–    
1988    The endangered Earth          Planet of the Year
1989    Mikhail Gorbachev     USSR    1931–    Man of the Decade
1990    George H. W. Bush     USA    1924–    
1991    Ted Turner     USA    1938–    
1992    Bill Clinton     USA    1946–    
1993    The Peacemakers     Palestine
 South Africa
 Israel       Represented by Yasser Arafat, F.W. de Klerk, Nelson Mandela, and Yitzhak Rabin
1994    Pope John Paul II     Holy See/ Poland    1920–2005    
1995    Newt Gingrich     USA    1943–    
1996    David Ho     Republic of China/ USA    1952–    
1997    Andy Grove     Hungary/ USA    1936–    
1998    Bill Clinton     USA    1946–    
Kenneth Starr     USA    1946–    
1999    Jeffrey P. Bezos     USA    1964–    See also: Person of the Century
2000    George W. Bush     USA    1946–    
2001    Rudolph Giuliani     USA    1944–    
2002    The Whistleblowers     USA       Represented by Cynthia Cooper (WorldCom), Coleen Rowley (FBI) and Sherron Watkins (Enron)
2003    The American soldier     USA       
2004    George W. Bush     USA    1946–    
2005    The Good Samaritans     Ireland
 USA       Represented by Bono, Bill Gates, and Melinda Gates
2006    You[9]          Represented by the individual content creator on the World Wide Web
2007    Vladimir Putin[10]     Russia    1952–    
2008    Barack Obama[11]     USA    1961–    
2009    Ben Bernanke[12]     USA    1953–    
2010    Mark Zuckerberg[13]     USA    1984–    

Real bunch of winners there.

[Badgersmilk]

"No Simple Victory"  Good book.  Written from a European perspective.  NOT light, quick reading.  Good though.  There's a great deal of other documentation on how the jewish business community was impacting the German economy durring those years as well.  But the book is a good start.

IF I'm "ant-Semitic", it's ONLY because I'm sick to death of the whining.  Enough already.  My point is, and will remain.  You don't see anybody else (Fins, Pol's, whoever) still crying like the world owes them.  We're talking from WWII, not the civil war here.  That's a whole other story, and people are just as sick of their "Poor little me.  I heard somebody in my family suffered generations ago.."  BS to  

Don't really care what race you are, religion, or anything else.  If something happened to a relative OVER 70 YEARS ago...  QUIT USING IT AS AN EXCUSE TO DEMAND PITY AND SPECIAL TREATMENT!!!    And then have the nuts to wonder why people continue to hate you!  

Bit of a paradox, but if only for the incessant whining the world has had to endure following the holocaust, I have no pity for the jewish victims.  The Pol's?  Yes, what they had to endur was unjust and awful.  I'm sorry such a thing ever had to befall them.  Do I have anything against the jewish religion in particular?  No, believe what you want!  

But again, Stalin makes Hitler look like Mary Poppins!  Nobody says a WORD about Stalin.  Why?

[tombogan03884]

"No Simple Victory"  Good book.  Written from a European perspective.  NOT light, quick reading.  Good though.  There's a great deal of other documentation on how the jewish business community was impacting the German economy durring those years as well.  But the book is a good start.

IF I'm "ant-Semitic", it's ONLY because I'm sick to death of the whining.  Enough already.  My point is, and will remain.  You don't see anybody else (Fins, Pol's, whoever) still crying like the world owes them.  We're talking from WWII, not the civil war here.  That's a whole other story, and people are just as sick of their "Poor little me.  I heard somebody in my family suffered generations ago.."  BS to 

Don't really care what race you are, religion, or anything else.  If something happened to a relative OVER 70 YEARS ago...  QUIT USING IT AS AN EXCUSE TO DEMAND PITY AND SPECIAL TREATMENT!!!     And then have the nuts to wonder why people continue to hate you!   

Bit of a paradox, but if only for the incessant whining the world has had to endure following the holocaust, I have no pity for the jewish victims.  The Pol's?  Yes, what they had to endur was unjust and awful.  I'm sorry such a thing ever had to befall them.  Do I have anything against the jewish religion in particular?  No, believe what you want!   

But again, Stalin makes Hitler look like Mary Poppins!  Nobody says a WORD about Stalin.  Why?

He made TIME  Man of the Year twice.

[Timothy]

He made TIME  Man of the Year twice.

And....we give a f..k what Time magazine says why?

Time doesn't pass for good toilet paper!

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

And....we give a f..k what Time magazine says why?

Time doesn't pass for good toilet paper!

You haven't been paying attention , have you ?
BM, was basically saying Hitler couldn't have been that bad, Time named him man of the century, I posted the whole list to illustrate that Time generally picks dictators, crooks and other scum bags as their man of the year, They pick Uncle Joe twice.

[Timothy]

You haven't been paying attention , have you ?
BM, was basically saying Hitler couldn't have been that bad, Time named him man of the century, I posted the whole list to illustrate that Time generally picks dictators, crooks and other scum bags as their man of the year, They pick Uncle Joe twice.

I was tired.  Worked 12 hours yesterday.....0-Dark:30 came way too early...

Carry on!

 

[Badgersmilk]

Watching disc 3 of "The Pacific"...  It's GOOD.  But falls way off the mark of "Band of Brothers".  Took me a while to figure out why.  

1. EVERY weapon in the movie is cleaner than the ones in my gun cabinet right now!  SPOTLESS!  Even the tanks.  All having supposedly been in combat on a desert island for weeks.  Or being carried out of a muddy disaster of a beach landing.  

2. Nobody sweats.  Weeks of heavy, hard core, combat.  Other than a little dust, maybe a few drips on their brow, they just don't look much the worse for wear.  

3. And worst of all.  They rushed the first episode.  Didn't develop the characters like they should have.  You just don't feel anything for them.  If it's the main characters or the enemies getting killed it's no different.  

Just started episode 6.  Look at those guns shine!    This one is MUCH more believable than the first 5 though.

No matter what the conditions are, the lighting always looks the same.  White flourecent.  

Isn't that ALL producer stuff?  Spielburg and Hanks!  What happened?  

WELL WORTH WATCHING!  Not spending $ to buy though IMO.  Thank you netflix!  

Generation Kill may be better.

HBO needs to hire on Guy Ritchy for a war movie.  THAT would be epic! 

Movies don't get any better than his work.  "Snatch" is a favorite of everybody I know that's seen it.

[tombogan03884]

Actually BM, it was filmed on Pelilua  ( spell check is no help on the island name    )

[pioneer]

Get "The Pacific" ! You will NOT be sorry !
I only caught one technical error, at Guadalcanal the Marines were still using the flat "Tommy" style helmets, but in the series they have regular "pot's".  Weapons are accurate, although you don't see any more Water cooled machine guns after the Guadalcanal episodes.

I bought The Pacific last weekend and just finished part 4.  Great investment.  It is something I'm going to watch several times, because there is so much going on, it's easy to miss something.  So far, only one other technical error that I've seen.  During a battle scene, a Marine called for a "medic."  Medics are in the Army.  The US Marine Corps has Navy Hospital Corpsmen.  (Which our current Commander-In-Chief calls "corpse-men.)