Why you SHOULD cheat on your taxs

[tombogan03884]

The fair tax stuff is BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What it does is make it so people don't want to spend money. which will hurt all but the very well off and some needed professionals.  All the blue coller in service industrys will get fooked, so will most of the small biz owners. Last time I checked most of the population is employeed in small biz.( may have changed in the last couple of years.)

It would also crush construction.  which is a very large chucnk of the GDP

It did, majority are employed in "the public sector" now.
In other words in some way employed by some level of Govt.

Welcome to the GOPs "Fair Tax/Flat Tax" Unless you want everything thing you buy to cost 10-20% more, just say no to these idiots. Sounded like a good idea, then we did the math and well.....
FQ13

You again show your shallow thinking. 10 - 20% of what I spend is a lot less than 25% of what I EARN, and I'm in a low bracket.
You ignore the little detail about that being instead of an income tax. Paying even 25% of what I spend, instead of 25% of what I earn would put more money in my pocket.
The other option is a flat rate, the number I have heard bounced around was 17% for every one, no deductions, no exemptions.
If you earn $1 you pay 0.17, if you earn $100,000,000 you pay 17 million How is this not fair ?
Best thing is the sales tax would keep the scum bags from cheating.

[Rastus]

...................Best thing is the sales tax would keep the scum bags from cheating.

Which means the cash crowd now has a stake in the game.  People would get used to the sales tax when they got those bigger, fatter paychecks rolling in....except for the cash crowd.  You've heard me beotch about people earning $100-$150k cutting yards, home renovation/construction work, etc. that escape income taxes by cash..some even having the odacity to get food stamps and other government assistance. 

Everyone....everyone...should pay something to have stake in what goes on.  A big ass sales tax with no income taxes would bring in a lot of revenue from the cash crowd....heck, some people might even have to get off their fat asses and cut their own lawns like I do....instead of hiring illegals.  Come to think of it...that may go a long way to curbing the illegal invaders.

[Pecos Bill]

Hoo boy! This is a fun read. Y'all need to keep this one going for a long time.

Only one post FQ?

Pecos

[Timothy]

A consumption tax in lieu of income tax puts a thousand dollars a month back in my pocket.  It eliminates income tax, SS tax, Medicare Tax in their entirety.  Today, I pay 6.25% on everything but food and cheap clothes as a sales tax.

Give me a grand a month and turn that into a 17 percent consumption tax and I'm in the black every month.  Remember, the consumption differential is only 10.75 more of my income than it was before under the convoluted cluster f..k IRS tax system that was stealing a grand a month or 18 percent of my gross, not counting Social Security!

Might be a bit complicated for a Poly Sci prof but give it time FQ....someday you're graduate from third grade math and stop thinking Rachael Maddow is a hot dude/chick, er....something resembling something you could stick your.....

never mind...

[Rastus]

............  Remember, the consumption differential is only 10.75 more of my income than it was before under the convoluted cluster f..k IRS tax system that was stealing a grand a month or 18 percent of my gross, not counting Social Security!
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And then all of those drones in the IRS, tax attorneys, etc. will need to find gainful employement that, hopefully, contributes in a postive way to improving life for all of us.  Right now the best you can say about them is that they are a monstrous pain in the arse.

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[Ichiban]

Needless to say, the state tax would still be there or would increase if the state did away with income tax.  Basically rape no matter how you slice it.  Still, it is much "fairer", IMHO, as everyone who makes a purchase (okay, exclude food if you must) contributes.  When the powers that be talk about "shared burden" they do a good job of making sure that the people that don't pay income tax (and live off of mine) are excluded from the conversation.

[crusader rabbit]

Welcome to the GOPs "Fair Tax/Flat Tax" Unless you want everything thing you buy to cost 10-20% more, just say no to these idiots. Sounded like a good idea, then we did the math and well.....
FQ13

For someone who is supposed to be academic, you, sir, are a feaking moron.  If you will examine the actual precepts of the Fair Tax, you will discover that the increase in "sales tax"is fully and completely rebated, to the extent that it is a cost of living, in the form of a government check (or credit) to every taxpayer--the value of which is determined by the average expense of the number of people dependant upon the salary of the wage earner. 

Secondarily, because all manufactures will no longer have to pay anything like a value-added tax, or sales tax on the items they purchase to manufacture their goods, their prices will be lower, and competition will then force them to reduce their prices by the 20% or so factor. 

Your income will actually belong to you, without the 40% or so currently going to the government.   If you spend you money on stuff, there will be a 20-something percent tax, however that 20-something percent will have been eliminated in the actual cost of the item bought.  So in real dollars, it will be exactly the same price.

If you don't spend your money, like you might actually save a greater portion of the income earned by your personal sweat: it doesn't get taxed.

Quaker, I know you have been brainwashed by the liberal establishment, but try and kick the inclination to be stupid and give some actual thought to things before you spout your foolishness.

If you want to engage in a real discussion of the benefits of the Fair Tax, I'd love to school you.

[Timothy]

Attorneys don't know shit about economics, pure and simple.  It's like expecting an engineer to be able to spell or be able to compose a cogent sentence, a cop to perform brain surgery or plumber clean your teeth!

[Rastus]

Needless to say, the state tax would still be there or would increase if the state did away with income tax.  Basically rape no matter how you slice it.  Still, it is much "fairer", IMHO, as everyone who makes a purchase (okay, exclude food if you must) contributes.  When the powers that be talk about "shared burden" they do a good job of making sure that the people that don't pay income tax (and live off of mine) are excluded from the conversation.

Yeah I like the food and medicine exclusion.  Not all food, just basics like bread, flour, sugar, milk, canned veggies, but not processed things like chips, cookies, frozen dinners, soda pop, etc.  I can easily afford tax on medicine now, but no so much 15 and 20 years ago when I was paying out my deductible in January and had about 30% of my total income going to medical bills. 

Towit the BS about being able to deduct above 7.5% AGI (I think that's the number) got me $21 or $23 dollars for 46 hours of paperwork back around '93 or '94 over standard deductions.  In fact, just to jump up on the soap box a bit, when my wife was dying I was leaving home at 5:45 AM getting back at 6:30 or so in the evening, cleaning the kids up (5,3 & 1) cooking supper, and the next day's meals, cleaning the house, washing the clothes, etc. getting to bed at 11:30 or so, waking up two or three times after that to make certain the wife's oxygen was still on and seeing if she was still warm.  All I remember is the politicians saying they needed to help people and they raised taxes on food and medicine.  Not a single person on the dole (kinfolk included) so much as offered to wash dishes, rake leave or cut the grass on the weekend so I could spend a little time with my children or get a break.   I had to work to pay bills and keep insurance and didn't get frickin' dime from the government (not that I wanted it) or a break on taxes (other than the twenty bucks).  I still see TV news in my head with the poor people with the color TV's in the background moaning about how bad they needed another buck and decent meat (steak I could not afford) and then pop here came the food and medicine sales tax increases.

I believe that we should work to pay our bills and sometimes tragedy and the accompanying economic hardship comes with it....we should be resolute and do all we can without government help and I was glad to be able to work and keep at least some money flowing to a multitude of bills until I crawled out from underneath them 11 years or so later.  If it gets really bad I guess there is always bankruptcy (unless the pols took that away recently).  I actually don't have any fishhooks in my pockets for helping people who are truly down on their luck, but the government is used by politicians to buy votes with my money to support lazy ass people who won't work.  Now the same politicians are crashing the economy to lock in their power and the people's dependence on government by killing jobs.  Defund the bastards.

And, oh yeah, let the lazy ass people who refuse to work and who think the government owes them something stand on their own...or not.

OK..off the box.

[kmitch200]

It would also crush construction.  which is a very large chucnk of the GDP

What year are you looking at?  Construction has had its tit in the wringer - and losing - for several years.