Here we are "down to the wire".

[McGyver]

Democrat/Liberal/Socialist,......Balanced Budget Amendment.... ...... to actually be sent to the states for ratification???\

Where's that emoticon rolling on the floor.....?



We're f*****.

Amen, Pilgram!   Keep your powder dry!  

[tombogan03884]

What I personally think should happen is that bho, his advisers and "czars", and most of the Congress should be declared Enemies of the United States ala the old Roman custom.

I have had it with being sold out, I have had it with being played, I have had it with the whole play being produced in DC these days - and that which has been allowed to be played at our expense - and to our detriment - over the past 60 years.

These people are power-mad statists, not Americans. They take that name only by accident of birth.

+10   

[philw]

What has really gone wrong? The US constitution says only Congress can authorise the government to borrow money. Since 1962 Congress has raised the debt ceiling 72 times. The Government needs to borrow money to pay back those bills, bonds and notes and to pay the pension funds.

In 1979, a rule was passed that allowed the House of Representatives to automatically raise the debt limit to whatever level the budget needed. But in January 2011, the House voted to repeal this rule. Now they need to hold a separate vote to increase the debt limit. And that's where it has all gone pear shaped. They can't agree on how that should be done.

When Obama took office in January 2009 US public debt stood at $10.6tn. Two years later the debt limit of $14.3tn was reached. Pension payments have been postponed and by August 2 the Government won't have enough money to pay their bills.  Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, says that after August 2, the Treasury will prioritise payments on federal debt.
The Republicans control the House of Representatives. They want to reduce the debt by cutting government spending.
The Democrats were calling for a mix of tax increases as well as spending cuts. But their latest plan threw out the tax increases. It still wasn't good enough for Republicans though because they said it didn't cut spending enough.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/us-debt-crisis-live-updates/story-e6frfm1i-1226105087589#ixzz1TdREzLfM

[fightingquaker13]

Simple answer, ideology has gotten in the way of common sense. Spending needs to be slashed and taxes need to be raised, every adult knows that. Both parties have gotten elected playing Santa Clause though. Tax and spend Dems, and Borrow and spend Republicans and nobody wanted to talk about what happened when you maxed out the Visa. Seriously, the GOP is playing the virtuous party when they controlled the House and Senate from 1994 till 2006 and did nothing to control spending? And they have the same leadership? And how many budgets did W veto? Could it be Zero? And then the Dems are acting blameless when they have no concept of fiscal responsibility. They only talk about how people are "entitled" to things, not how other people have to pay for them. Your entitlement comes out of my pocket, lets talk about that!  
Its a sad day when Americans can't get behind the idea that when you get in debt you have to slash spending and increase income. How many of us didn't get that when we were 14?
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

Simple answer, ideology has gotten in the way of common sense. Spending needs to be slashed and taxes need to be raised, every adult knows that. Both parties have gotten elected playing Santa Clause though. Tax and spend Dems, and Borrow and spend Republicans and nobody wanted to talk about what happened when you maxed out the Visa. Seriously, the GOP is playing the virtuous party when they controlled the House and Senate from 1994 till 2006 and did nothing to control spending? And they have the same leadership? And how many budgets did W veto? Could it be Zero? And then the Dems are acting blameless when they have no concept of fiscal responsibility. They only talk about how people are "entitled" to things, not how other people have to pay for them. Your entitlement comes out of my pocket, lets talk about that!  
Its a sad day when Americans can't get behind the idea that when you get in debt you have to slash spending and increase income. How many of us didn't get that when we were 14?
FQ13

Uh, cuz maybe it's intentional, 'tard? Seriously, do I have to hit you over the head with their damn script for the past 60 years to help you understand that none of this is an accident? Or maybe the transcript from the Bretton Woods II conference?

What you describe is simply the divisive tactic they use to keep us at each others' throats so we pay no attention to the man behind the curtain manipulating us.

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[tombogan03884]

No, taxes do not need to be raised.
Congress needs to learn how to live with what they've got. Or less.
The current tax levels are crippling the economic recovery, if anything they need to be cut.
Then slash the Govt. meddling in the private sector to free up investment capital that people are sitting on.
Let's say you have a chunk of extra money, and 2 options, #1 is to sock it away in either gold or some other safe place, #2 leaves you with the potential of govt seizure, and guaranteed punitive tax rates, while minimizing your control of your own assets.
The consistent choice through out recorded history has been door #1.

Uh, cuz maybe it's intentional, 'tard? Seriously, do I have to hit you over the head with their damn script for the past 60 years to help you understand that none of this is an accident? Or maybe the transcript from the Bretton Woods II conference?

What you describe is simply the divisive tactic they use to keep us at each others' throats so we pay no attention to the man behind the curtain manipulating us.

Oh, you mean the one they had up here a while back ?
The one hosted by George (the Man behind the curtain ) Soros ?
Yeah FQ, you know, the guy who owns huge chunks of Petrobras, (which BO gave $ 2 Bn to drill in the Gulf right after he dfied the courts and reinstated his ban on American drilling ) and about 1/4- 1/2 of Russia's GazProm.
The same George (MBTC ) Soros who donates $  Bns to support , The Daily Kos, Democrat underground, the Joyce Foundation, the UN small arms treaty, etc etc.
It's just a coincidence.

[fightingquaker13]

Wrong answer Tom. Look, Nonew (or any)  taxes isn't policy to the GOP, its religion. Let's grow up. We paid for the government with tariffs for most of our history. Lets revisit those. Outsourced jobs and profits should be taxed at a higher rate than those generated domestically. NAFTA, lets reexamine that. And the artificially low rate of the Yuan ought to to be matched with a tariff on Chinese goods until it floats like every other currency. Sorry, but some taxes make sense.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

FU FQ, You are quoting my ( often posted ) platform position.
The point is, they are not taxes on us "rich" people.
TEA party, Taxed Enough Already.
Unless congress gets shut off they will continue demanding more and more.
If you support increased taxes you are an enabler, you support bad, expansive, irresponsible, wasteful, government, and increasing welfare participation, declining US test scores, and an increasingly less healthy economy.

[twyacht]

The Gov't pays hundreds of thousands of dollars studying smelt,....getting chimps stoned,...and wasting money....The list is endless to our lovely Gov't paying $450 for a multi directional impact device.
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AKA,.....A STUPID HAMMER!!!!!

The marginal tax rate was cut by JFK, and revenues to the gov, went UP.....Same as Reagan,.......We are taxed enough...

What part of "taxation without representation" are you still bending over for??

[tombogan03884]

What was the hammer intended to be used for ?
Where?
Under what conditions ?
You have to be careful using tools as examples of Govt waste.
My Mother was involved in the $600 coffee maker.
What the Media told you was the Air Force paid $600 for a coffee maker and acted as if it were a $20 Mr. Coffee.
The facts were that it was intended for the J-Stars surveillance aircraft so the crew could have coffee, to stay awake, alert, and a little warmer, during their missions. Mr. Coffee won't cut it. among the requirements , it had to be stainless steel, they had only one place it could be fit in with out interfering with the computers and stuff, and it was an odd shaped space, it could not generate any kind off electrical interference, it had to work above 35,000 feet, and a bunch of other stuff.
There are enough other examples of Govt. waste to use as examples, like teaching Chinese whores to drink responsibly, that you do not need to use tools, where the expense might actually be justified .