What do we do?

[DGF]

I know we have talked about this subject in the past. But it has never been satisfactorily settled in my mind. I am seventy years old, and carrying. My wife and I have just left the Wisconsin State fair when we are attacked with fists by a mob of 20 or 30 juveniles. What do we do? Shoot one of the kids? Fire into the air and hope we scare them? I can guarantee you I will not stand by and allow my wife to be injured but I don't know what to do. I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison. At my age even a short sentence could be a life sentence. The scenario that I have outlined is fictitious as we do not live in Wisconsin but the same thing could happen here in Virginia.

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Hundreds Rampage Through Neighborhoods Surrounding Wisconsin State Fair
Published August 06, 2011
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Milwaukee and West Allis Police are investigating a string of mob-like behavior involving a very large and unruly crowd near the Wisconsin State Fair Crowds Thursday night.
Milwaukee police officers are investigating a string of mob-like actions involving a very large and unruly crowd near the Wisconsin State Fair Thursday night, where several people were badly injured and cars and homes were rampaged, Fox6 News reported.
Twenty-four people were arrested inside the fairgrounds after fights broke out, State Fair officials said. The violence continued after closing time outside the park.
State Fair Park CEO Rick Frenette said seven park police officers were injured, including two who were taken to the hospital.

Milwaukee Police said just after 11 p.m. they responded to complaints of an unruly mob attacking cars, people and leaving damage in its path.
Hundreds of young people left the fairgrounds and made their way down to the surrounding neighborhoods, smashing car windows, throwing rocks and beating people who were leaving the fair.
Several people were punched in the face, a child was pushed to the ground, one woman required stitches and another will need surgery for her injuries.
Police are continuing to search for suspects involved in the incident.
One witness said he saw a group of 20-30 young men attack someone walking by.
"A group came through and the guy was kind of not really looking and was making his way through the crowd like anybody else would, and just wound up on his knees and they wound up punching him," the witness said.
"I had one kid you know asking me to sit on my porch until it cleared up because he was afraid to walk by himself."
Witnesses described the mobs as young African American teens. Milwaukee Aldermen Bob Donovan and Joe Dudzik released a bold statement on Friday about what they called a "deteriorating African American culture in our city," Fox 6 News reported.
Frenette said there will be an increased police presence following disturbances at the fair and surrounding neighborhood. Frenette added that all of those under 18 attending the fair will have to be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian after 5 p.m.
Click here for more information on the rampages that took place around the Wisconsin State Fair.
 


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[Pecos Bill]

I would shoot. Being attacked by 20 -30 unarmed juv's is a life threatening situation. I would defend my wife and myself.

Pecos

[twyacht]

As Rob Pincus has stated many times, The critical dynamic incident, and what to do.

Certainly, a violent "flash mob", whether kids (which I am sure there were some adults also),..makes no difference. These are not little 9- 10 year old punks you just kick in the ass and push out of the way.

The bottom line is "Did you believe you and your spouse were in imminent danger of bodily harm?" "Were you and your spouse directly threatened and feared for your life?"

If the real answer is yes.

You defend you and your family to STOP THE THREAT.

Time to post a reminder.

I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in this world.
I don't carry a gun because I am evil. I carry a gun because I've lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because my sex organs are too small. I carry a gun because I want to continue to use those sex organs for the purpose they were intended for a good long time to come.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because a real man knows how to take care and protect their property, themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing armed thugs I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
I don't carry a gun to shoot to kill someone. I carry a gun and would shoot as necessary to stay alive. If the assailant dies as a result of a desire to harm me, it's no loss to society.


OBTW, judged by 12 than carried by 6 comes to mind.....A gang of punks (20-30+) stomping you or your wife's head in is a justifiable reason to defend yourself.

[CJS3]

Burn the little bastards down and make sure they never get up again.

At seventy, do you really think a jury is going to convict you of a crime? That mean ol man and his frail wife were pickin on those studly teens and twentysomethings. What prosecutor is going to make himself look stupid persecuting a senior citizen who was attacked by a GROUP of youtz?

If any are minors, sue their parents for lack of supervision and lack of moral values.

[twyacht]

I forgot...Your 70?

"Never pick a fight with an "old man", if he's too old to fight, he'll just shoot you."

P.S. What CJ said...

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[Badgersmilk]

In the scenario you present.  "A gang of 20-30 vs 2"!  

I'd certainly like to think I had enough situational awareness to see the problem coming, and was ready to draw.  But THE SECOND the first fist made contact with either myself or her.  I promise you at least that kid won't be making it home that day.  How the others react would very quickly determine their fates as well.

I frankly don't give a rats fuzzy a$$ if their "kids".  They lost all privileged treatment as such the moment they became hostile.  Lets face it.  Unless your in an all out EOTW scenario, only teenagers would ever behave in such a way.  You'd better be mentally and physically prepared to do the right thing!

[Badgersmilk]

Merely asking the question denotes no time served in the military.  This is well covered in basic training, with the correct action being thoroughly implanted in your mind.  Hesitation = a dead soldier.  "Dieing for a cause" is what you are there to ensure your enemy does.  Not you.  Your job is to...  (anyone care to finish for me?  )

[tombogan03884]

How do you react to that situation ?
It's simple.
Front sight, press, repeat as needed.

[Solus]

Your concern should not be whether to shoot or not, but which one to shoot first.

[2HOW]

ALL OF THE ABOVE.