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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2011, 03:51:17 PM »
Everyone has their "Comfort Zone"

The probably are used to the fact that the police ain't gonna protect anyone in the hood.

Rich section and you are poking the wrong bear.
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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2011, 03:57:02 PM »
The original spark to the riots is found here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904480904576498540000034196.html

Tottenham, is a primarily black ghetto. The police that patrol this area, are issued firearms, due to the illegal guns and crimes in this area.

By PAUL SONNE

LONDON—As Britons debate the causes of the London riots, more details are emerging about the initial spark that set off the unrest—the killing by police of 29-year-old Mark Duggan in North London last week.


The Independent Police Complaints Commission, an oversight group probing the matter, said Tuesday night there was no evidence so far that Mr. Duggan fired at police before being shot fatally in the chest by an officer in North London last week.

Mr. Duggan died Thursday in an incident that began when police officers stopped a silver minivan taxi carrying Mr. Duggan in London's Tottenham neighborhood intending to arrest him, for reasons not yet clear. Soon after, a police officer from the unit, which investigates illegal gun crime, fired two shots that landed in Mr. Duggan's bicep and chest. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police recovered an illegal handgun from the car, initially raising questions about whether Mr. Duggan had fired on one of the officers.
Also raising questions was the fact that a police officer's hand-held radio was struck by a bullet. But that later turned out to be from a bullet from another police officer's gun.

A police officer from the unit, that investigates gun crime in the black community, was also shot, but not killed.


"At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident," the IPCC said in a statement Tuesday. Forensics experts are carrying out more tests, but they may not be able to say for sure whether the illegal handgun was fired, the IPCC said. It is also conducting a broader probe into the incident.

The fatal shooting—a rare occurrence in the U.K. because police generally don't carry guns—has led indirectly to riots across London.

On Saturday, a crowd of protesters that included Mr. Duggan's partner, Semone Wilson, gathered in front of Tottenham's police station, demanding that a high-ranking official address questions about the shooting.

Hours later, the underprivileged North London neighborhood erupted into violence, as rioters attacked police cars, smashed windows and set fire to a double-decker bus and a carpet store.


Since then, copycat riots have spread to other areas of London and Britain.


Mr. Duggan's death, however, has become a forgotten footnote rather than any sort of cohesive rallying cry. His family has condemned the riots.

"We're not condoning any kind of actions like that all," Mr. Duggan's brother, Shaun Hall, said in an interview on a British news channel. "There was a domino effect from that, which we don't condone at all."

Ms. Wilson, Mr. Duggan's partner, and Mr. Hall have also denied reports in the British press describing Mr. Duggan as a gang member.

Ms. Wilson criticized the police's handling of the incident in a TV interview on Monday.

"There's a lot of angry people out there. People who don't even know Mark are angry at the way it was dealt with," she said. But she added: "It has got out of hand. It has gone way past. It's not connected to this anymore, I don't think."

The Metropolitan Police welcomed the update from the IPCC in a statement on Monday and said it was doing everything possible to assist with the oversight body's investigation of the fatal shooting.

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Methinks somethings certainly afoot, and the "Bobbie's" are not releasing all the details....

Pretty much "whitey shootin' brotha's" whether the BG was a gang member, or was in possession of an illegal firearm is irrelevant.



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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2011, 10:14:57 PM »
Have you guys seen the headlines saying "Europe is counting on Germany to save them now."

Oh, how the worm has turned!!!   ;D ;D ;D

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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2011, 10:36:08 PM »
Germany basically tells English tourists "Don't even think we're going to put up with your BS here!"   ;D

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110809-36845.html

And they've already reported Italy can go suck wind.  Germans won't be wasting any money their butts out!  :)  Mmmm, the vindication tastes sweet!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 03:19:30 AM »
Does anyone really expect much else when a country has had successive nanny state communist governments? The scumbags and dreggs of society now expect to be cared for and not have to work for a living, at the slightest opportunity these parasites will leap at the chance to steal, loot etc all under a glorius pretence of civil rights for which it is most definately not.
I can see my country heading this way too, maybe not tomorrow or next year but give it time, it will come.
Personally I think the police should be given the right to shoot all looters on sight and if they resist shoot them again, none of this shields and battons shit going up against hooligans with petrol bombs. Saiga shotties and 00 loaded buck should be standard issue and 25 round mags. I wonder how gusty these bastards would be then charging at even 6 guys armed with semi auto shotguns, my guess not one of the bastards.
I feel sorry for the poor innocent bastards who can not defend themselves against roaming gangs of thugs, least i know i could do so with the equipment I have at the ready, I would rather be judged by a group of my peers than carried out toes first by my friends.
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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2011, 05:08:07 AM »
The original spark to the riots is found here: Tottenham, is a primarily black ghetto.

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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2011, 07:29:38 AM »
Does anyone really expect much else when a country has had successive nanny state communist governments? The scumbags and dreggs of society now expect to be cared for and not have to work for a living, at the slightest opportunity these parasites will leap at the chance to steal, loot etc all under a glorius pretence of civil rights for which it is most definately not.
I can see my country heading this way too, maybe not tomorrow or next year but give it time, it will come.
Personally I think the police citizen should be given the right to shoot all looters on sight and if they resist shoot them again, none of this shields and battons shit going up against hooligans with petrol bombs. Saiga shotties and 00 loaded buck should be standard issue and 25 round mags. I wonder how gusty these bastards would be then charging at even 6 guys armed with semi auto shotguns, my guess not one of the bastards.
I feel sorry for the poor innocent bastards who can not defend themselves against roaming gangs of thugs, least i know i could do so with the equipment I have at the ready, I would rather be judged by a group of my peers than carried out toes first by my friends.


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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2011, 07:54:41 AM »
You are forgetting that in jolly old civilized England the citizens are not allowed to own guns. How would they defend themselves?
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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2011, 07:58:13 AM »
You are forgetting that in jolly old civilized England the citizens are not allowed to own guns. How would they defend themselves?

That would take some logistics.  Letting them use clubs and axe handles without fear of prosecution might get the job done too.

And I didn't forget it...  just mentioning the supply line that would be needed wouldn't fit in the FIFY type of post.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
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"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
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Re: What's Up With The Riots In The UK?
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2011, 08:48:36 AM »
You are forgetting that in jolly old civilized England the citizens are not allowed to own guns. How would they defend themselves?
God willing this will wake them the hell up and they'll start demanding US style laws. I wouldn't mind seeing the NRA using my dues to do a bit of foriegn outreach here.
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