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John Stossel, some things to think about
« on: August 24, 2011, 02:31:36 PM »
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45714

We grow up learning that some things are just bad: child labor, ticket scalping, price gouging, kidney selling, blackmail, etc. But maybe they're not.
   
What I love about economics is that it can show that what seems harmful is actually good for society. It illuminates what common sense overlooks.
   
This is all covered in the eye-opening book "Defending the Undefendable​" by economist Walter Block.
   
Most people call child labor an unmitigated evil. David Boaz of the Cato Institute and Nick Gillespie of Reason.tv say that's wrong.
   
"If we say that the United States should abolish child labor in very poor countries," Boaz said, "then what will happen to these children? ... They're not suddenly going to go to the country day school. ... They may be out selling their bodies on the street. That is not an improvement over working in a t-shirt factory."
   
In fact, studies show that in at least one country where child labor was suddenly banned, prostitution increased. Good economics teaches that as poor countries get richer and freer, capital investment raises the productivity of labor and child labor diminishes. There's no shortcut through government prohibition -- unless you like starvation and child prostitution.
 
What about price-gouging? State laws attempt to prevent people from charging "unconscionable" prices during emergencies.
 
"If I'm in the neighborhood of Hurricane Katrina," Boaz said, "what I want is water and ice and generators. ... If you are in Kentucky (and) you've got 10 generators in your store, are you getting up at 4 a.m. to drive all day to get to Louisiana to sell these generators if you can only sell them for the same price you can sell them for in Kentucky? No, you're going to go down because ... you can sell them for more."
 
Also, if prices rise during an emergency, that's a signal for people to buy only what they most need. That leaves more for everyone else. If the price remains low, an incentive to conserve is lost.
   
Ticket scalpers are seen as sleazy guys who cheat you by marking up the price of tickets. Profits go to middlemen instead of the performers. What good could they possibly do?
   
"I like to think of ticket scalpers as the guy who stands in line so that I don't have to," Gillespie said.
   
Time spent in line is part of the ticket cost. Scalpers let you pay entirely in money, rather than partly in valuable time.
 
Most people say that selling body parts is wrong.
   
"It also seems wrong to have people dying because they can't get a kidney," Boaz said.
   
Some 400,000 Americans are on a waiting list now for a new kidney, and they are not allowed to pay for one.
   
"We sell hair. We sell sperm. We sell eggs these days." Boaz added.
   
Gillespie added, "The best way to grow the supply and allow more people to live is to allow the market to price those organs."
   
Maybe the most counterintuitive position argued on my show was that blackmail should not be a crime. Blackmail (unlike extortion) is the demand for money in return for withholding information. Robin Hanson, a George Mason University economist, defends blackmail.
   
"The thing you're threatening when you're threatening blackmail (is) gossip," Hanson said. "If it should be all right to tell people, it should be all right to threaten to tell people."
   
What we don't like, however, is the blackmailer saying, "Pay me to keep quiet."
   
"But the effect of that is to make people behave," Hanson said. "If we (allow) blackmail, people behave even more because they are even more afraid of what might happen if they don't."
   
Maybe Ponzi-schemer Bernie Madoff would have been caught earlier?
   
"That's right. ... Blackmail is actually a form of private law enforcement."
   
Also, since gossip is free speech, blackmail is simply selling the service of not engaging in free speech. Why should that be outlawed?
   
I subtitled my last book, "Everything You Know Is Wrong." I was exaggerating, of course, but many things we're taught are fallacies. That's why I like economics. It explodes fallacies.

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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 02:50:43 PM »
As long as we are at it.....

Mental Health Group Looks to Remove Stigma From Pedophilia
A group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals say it's time to change the way society views individuals who have physical attractions to children.

"Stigmatizing and stereotyping minor-attracted people inflames the fears of minor-attracted people, mental health professionals and the public, without contributing to an understanding of minor-attracted people or the issue of child sexual abuse," reads the organization's website.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/08/24/mental-health-group-looks-to-remove-stigma-from-pedophilia/

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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 07:08:04 PM »
There are 2 types of crimes, There are things that are crimes because the law says so, like smoking pot, or scalping tickets.
There are other things that are crimes because society finds them unacceptable behavior , like murder, robbery, and child molestation.
If these degenerates use any excuse other than "I thought she was 18", they should be put to death as Child molesters ALWAYS re offend.

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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2011, 07:25:53 PM »
Stossel just gets out there sometimes.  A lot of what he says sounds like rationalization - just like those nut jobs trying to "de-stigmatize" pedophilia.  Selling organs to the highest bidder fits that category.  Blackmail as a tool for enforcing social norms?  Give me a break!

What's his next bright idea?  Paying "blood money" to the victims of your crimes to avoid prison?  It would save the tax payers a bunch of money after all.


P.S.  Having known people that were sexually abused as children and seeing how the abuse impacts the rest of their lives, I think pedophiles should get a small caliber bullet to the brain, stuffed in a trash tote, and dumped in the landfill where they belong.

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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 07:54:13 PM »
Stossel just gets out there sometimes.  A lot of what he says sounds like rationalization - just like those nut jobs trying to "de-stigmatize" pedophilia.  Selling organs to the highest bidder fits that category.  Blackmail as a tool for enforcing social norms?  Give me a break!

What's his next bright idea?  Paying "blood money" to the victims of your crimes to avoid prison?  It would save the tax payers a bunch of money after all.


P.S.  Having known people that were sexually abused as children and seeing how the abuse impacts the rest of their lives, I think pedophiles should get a small caliber bullet to the brain, stuffed in a trash tote, and dumped in the landfill where they belong.

I think selling organs is a great idea. It will encourage people to donate. I was behind this A-hole in line at the DL office. He checked no in the organ donor box. I asked why. He saifd "Because they're mine". I mentioned that people die every day waiting for transplants and he wasn't using them anymore. His response? "They're mine and I'm keeping them". I did not Gibbs smack him. However, if selfish jerks like this knew that they could get money for donating, either a state giving them free auto registration for life, or a private company would pay say a grand up front, I bet you would see donations sky rocket. More people would live. If I needed a kidney damn straight I'd write a check. What's wrong with that? As long as its consensual, and if it were legal it would be, everybody wins.
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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2011, 08:14:30 PM »
If I needed a kidney damn straight I'd write a check. What's wrong with that? As long as its consensual, and if it were legal it would be, everybody wins.
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Too bad you can't write a big enough check for a healthy kidney.  Looks like you'll be doing you kidney shopping amongst the wino and drug abuser aisle.

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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2011, 08:23:21 PM »
The only major religion to condone pedophilia is Islam.  I can also tell you if I catch someone messing with one of my kids, I pray I have the strength to NOT do something that will get me life.  

I will give gray area to teenagers as whether they are mature enough to consent, but since we don't have an IQ test for common sense we should just pick an age like 18-21 and stick with it.  You can't write good wordy laws.  Ten commandments, Bill of Rights--both are short and to the point but we can still wrangle over what they mean.  Anything longer and it just gets worse.  

2,000 page bills are a waste of trees.  I wish they would recycle the paper into TP, then it would be worth something.
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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2011, 08:39:34 PM »
Ichiban, Stossel is not the first to recommend the sale of organs. A few years ago I read an article by a doctor who had far more and better reasons than what  JS gave.
I will note that one of Stossel's most outlandish claims, back in the early 90's, was that gun control doesn't work.
Only a scumbag would advocate child molesting, but tell me what is inherently wrong with blackmail ?
Are you trying to say there is some sort of moral imperative to rat on people ?
Or maybe we should have some formalized system of snitches like in communist counties ?

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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 10:50:42 AM »
but tell me what is inherently wrong with blackmail ?
Are you trying to say there is some sort of moral imperative to rat on people ?

What's inherently wrong with extortion?

Scenario A:
Guido: "Nice little business you have here.  It would be a shame to see some happen to it.  Give me $500.00 a month and I'll see that it doesn't meet with an unfortunate accident."
Scenario B:
Vinnie: "Nice little business you have here.  It would be a shame to see you lose all of your customers.  Give $50,000.00 and I'll see that those pictures I have of you boning the babysitter aren't made public."

Same motivation by Guido and Vinnie.  Same threat to harm.  Same taking advantage of people.  I guess I'm not seeing a lot of difference here.

Maybe we are just seeing different applications of the principle.

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Re: John Stossel, some things to think about
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 10:54:51 AM »
It isn't debating to answer a question with an unrelated question, Extortion involves the threat of violence, blackmail does not.
If I am extorting you the threat is based on my actions, if I'm blackmailing you the threat is based on your own previous activities.

 

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