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tombogan03884

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Creation Vs Evolution
« on: August 24, 2011, 08:46:59 PM »
My opinion is that any one who engages in this debate is an idiot.
I have never seen or heard anything that caused me to think the 2 are mutually exclusive.
You may create dough, but it has to go into the oven to evolve into bread.
Everything evolves, otherwise we would still be shooting matchlocks.



http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45747

The Flash Mob Mentality of Scientific Inquiry
by  Ann Coulter

The definition of hell is being condescended to by idiots. It will probably be MSNBC's Chris Matthews​ and Contessa Brewer​ sneering at you for all of eternity for not believing in evolution.

Roughly one-third of my 2007 No. 1 New York Times best-seller, "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," is an attack on liberals' creation myth, Darwinian evolution. I presented the arguments of all the luminaries in the field, from the retarded Richard Dawkins​ to the brilliant Francis Crick, and disputed them.

But apparently liberals didn't want to argue back.

Despite Matthews' obsessive fixation on the topic, manifested by his constantly asking elected Republicans if they believe in evolution, in a one-hour interview with me on "Godless" -- the very book that is chockablock with attacks on Darwinism -- Matthews didn't ask me a single question about the subject.

No liberal did. Matthews doesn't even know what evolution is.

Just a year later, at a 2008 Republican presidential candidates' debate, Matthews asked for a show of hands of who believed in evolution. No discussion permitted! That might allow scientific facts, rather than schoolyard taunts, to escape into the world.

Evolution is the only subject that is discussed exclusively as a "Do you believe?" question with yes-or-no answers. How about conservative journalists start putting mikes in front of liberal candidates and demanding, "Do you believe in the Bible -- yes or no?" "Is an unborn baby human -- yes or no?" and "Do you believe teenagers should have sex -- yes or no?"

This is the flash mob method of scientific inquiry. Liberals quickly surround and humiliate anyone who disagrees with them. They are baffled when appeals to status (which would work on them) don't work on everyone else.

Now that Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry has said there are "gaps" in the theory of evolution -- or "gas" as The New York Times originally reported, before issuing a correction -- we're in for another round of fact-free mocking of fundamentalist nuts.

In fact, however, it has not been advances in Christianity (which is pretty much settled), but in science that have completely discredited Darwin's theory of evolution.

This week, we will consider one small slice of the mountain of scientific evidence disproving this mystery religion from the Victorian age.

Most devastating for the Darwiniacs were advances in microbiology since Darwin's time, revealing infinitely complex mechanisms requiring hundreds of parts working together at once -- complex cellular structures, DNA, blood-clotting mechanisms, molecules, and the cell's tiny flagellum and cilium.

Darwin's theory was that life on Earth began with single-celled life forms, which by random mutation, sex and death, would pass on the desirable mutations, and this process, over billions of years, would lead to the creation of new species.

The (extremely generous) test Darwin set for his theory was this: "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."

Thanks to advances in microscopes, thousands of such complex mechanisms have been found since Darwin's day. He had to explain only simple devices, such as beaks and gills. If Darwin were able to come back today and peer through a modern microscope to see the inner workings of a cell, he would instantly abandon his own theory.

It is a mathematical impossibility, for example, that all 30 to 40 parts of the cell's flagellum -- forget the 200 parts of the cilium! -- could all arise at once by random mutation. According to most scientists, such an occurrence is considered even less likely than John Edwards​ marrying Rielle Hunter​, the "ground zero" of the impossible.

Nor would each of the 30 to 40 parts individually make an organism more fit to survive and reproduce, which, you will recall, is the lynchpin of the whole contraption.

As Michael Behe​, biochemist and author of "Darwin's Black Box," explains, even a mechanism as simple as a three-part mousetrap requires all three parts to be working together at once. Otherwise, you don't get a mousetrap that catches half as many mice -- and thus might win a survival of the fittest competition -- you don't get a mousetrap at all.

The more we have learned about molecules, cells and DNA -- a body of knowledge some refer to as "science" -- the more preposterous Darwin's theory has become. DNA is, as Bill Gates says, "like a computer program, but far, far more advanced than any software we've ever created." (Plus DNA doesn't usually crash when you're right in the middle of reproducing.)

Evolution fanatics would rather not be called on to explain these complex mechanisms that Darwin himself said would disprove his theory.

Instead they make jokes about people who know the truth. They say that to dispute evolution means you must believe man walked with dinosaurs.

Galileo's persecutors probably had some good guffaws about him believing in Fred Flintstone.

This is why the brighter Darwiniacs end up sounding like Scientologists in order to cling to their mystery religion.

Crick, winner of the Nobel Prize for his co-discovery of DNA, hypothesized that highly intelligent extraterrestrials sent living cells to Earth on an unmanned spaceship, a theory he set forth in his 1981 book, "Life Itself."

Thus was God narrowly averted!

But Crick's solution obviously begs the question: How did the highly intelligent extraterrestrials evolve?

Harvard population biologist Richard Lewontin said the Darwiniacs tolerate "unsubstantiated just-so stories" of evolution and ignore "the patent absurdity of some of its constructs" because they are committed to coming up with a theory that excludes God. "We cannot," Lewontin said, "allow a divine foot in the door."

Maybe if we called the Intelligent Designer "Louis Vuitton" to avoid frightening the Godphobics, they'd finally admit the truth: Modern science has disproved Darwinian evolution.

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 11:00:17 PM »
Hi Tom,
I agree that it is a fool's errand to try to argue with "absolute certainty" for creationism or evolution- none of us were there to witness either one!

At the end of the day it takes a leap of faith in one direction or another. For me, I take creationism/intelligent design. The decision for me came when I stood on the north rim of the Grand Canyon. I listened to the park ranger give the spiel about how the Colorado river cut that canyon over millions and millions of years. But when I stood there in absolute silence and wonder beholding the beauty of that canyon, my mind just kept telling me "there is no way this was done by some natural process on its own." That was when I was 16 years old and I never looked back.

Check out this site: www.icr.org. They approach the debate from a biblical, christian perspective. But don't let that turn you off. They are bona fide scientists with PhDs, published articles in journals, etc. They do give reasoned, rational answers for their beliefs.

And check out the movie from Ben Stein, "Expelled". I think you will find that one very interesting too.

Take care,
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Re: Creation Vs Evolution
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 11:08:39 PM »
Hi Tom,
I agree that it is a fool's errand to try to argue with "absolute certainty" for creationism or evolution- none of us were there to witness either one!

At the end of the day it takes a leap of faith in one direction or another. For me, I take creationism/intelligent design. The decision for me came when I stood on the north rim of the Grand Canyon. I listened to the park ranger give the spiel about how the Colorado river cut that canyon over millions and millions of years. But when I stood there in absolute silence and wonder beholding the beauty of that canyon, my mind just kept telling me "there is no way this was done by some natural process on its own." That was when I was 16 years old and I never looked back.

Check out this site: www.icr.org. They approach the debate from a biblical, christian perspective. But don't let that turn you off. They are bona fide scientists with PhDs, published articles in journals, etc. They do give reasoned, rational answers for their beliefs.

And check out the movie from Ben Stein, "Expelled". I think you will find that one very interesting too.

Take care,
-FA

You kind of miss my point. I don't see it as an either /or  question.
Of course we evolved, just in the last 100 years Americans have become larger because of greater availability of food (yes, in both directions  ;D  )
Lets take the basic evolutionary theory that we evolved from a particular species of primate.
Where did that species come from ?
To use your own example of the Grand Canyon. The Bible says God works in mysterious ways, why not use erosion as a tool ?
Where did the water come from ?
Each theory alone is wrong, both together are closer to the truth is my belief.
Another thing I think is asinine is the general debate  Science Vs. Religion.
It's stupid, they are both seeking the same answers but Religion addresses "why" while science is focused on " how".

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2011, 07:20:06 AM »
Tom. I think you are correct that the two theories are not mutually exclusive.  There needs to be an Ultimate Source for everything.  Nothing comes from nothing.  Everything comes from something--an Originator.  Matter can be neither created nor destroyed--except by God.

My personal belief is that God is that source.  How He managed it is not of great concern.  THAT He managed it is self-evident.

I take issue only with those who would impose a 4000-6000-year time line on the process.  One hike down the Grand Canyon as a 14-year-old with my dad--a dedicated Christian who also holds a Ph.D. in Philosophy of Science--and I better understood the age of the earth.  It's all shown there in layers.

Additionally, I don't believe God is a practical joker who would stratify layers according the the chronological logic of time just to fool His followers.  That would just be mean.

FWIW,

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2011, 07:48:45 AM »
Well put Crusader!!!
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Re: Creation Vs Evolution
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 10:44:37 AM »
Tom. I think you are correct that the two theories are not mutually exclusive.  There needs to be an Ultimate Source for everything.  Nothing comes from nothing.  Everything comes from something--an Originator.  Matter can be neither created nor destroyed--except by God.

My personal belief is that God is that source.  How He managed it is not of great concern.  THAT He managed it is self-evident.

I take issue only with those who would impose a 4000-6000-year time line on the process.  One hike down the Grand Canyon as a 14-year-old with my dad--a dedicated Christian who also holds a Ph.D. in Philosophy of Science--and I better understood the age of the earth.  It's all shown there in layers.

Additionally, I don't believe God is a practical joker who would stratify layers according the the chronological logic of time just to fool His followers.  That would just be mean.

FWIW,

Crusader

Then please explain the Duck billed Platypus.      ;D

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 11:51:06 AM »
Then please explain the Duck billed Platypus.      ;D

Failed attempt at allowing an animal to be designed by committee.  ;D
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 12:38:48 PM »
Oh, God seems to have a unique sense of humor, as illustrated by this fundamental difference in the outlooks of men and women.

A man marries a woman believing she will never change.

A woman marries a man believing she will change him.

Someone is chuckling over that someplace.

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 12:52:49 PM »
I always get a laugh over the global warming protesters. Every time they have a big rally, they get record snow.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 04:50:18 PM »
I'm just glad I get to pee standing up, outside, in the snow, in February!!

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