Herman Cain Wins Florida Straw Poll By A Big Margin

[tombogan03884]

Cut the crap out of all nonmilitary Govt spending, replace large portions of Personal income tax revenue with tariffs on imported goods.
Eliminate all state and federal tax codes and replace with no exemption, no deduction flat rate taxs.

[twyacht]

The gov't will never relinquish the "power to tax".   Congress critters of both parties use "taxes" as a motivating/scaring/leveraging tool for elections, pork, and there power base.

That's just the National Level.....Than there is the States, Cities, Counties, Utilities, Property, etc,...et al.

A 9-9-9 plan, cannot be a reform of the current tax code, but a replacement...Much harder to accomplish without a complete upheaval by the vast majority of this country.

OR The 50% of this country that actually do PAY taxes, DOESN'T. Let the IRS deal with 125+ MILLION PEOPLE THAT SEND NO PAYMENT!


Is Dancing with the Stars on tonight?

That's what we'll get instead....

[Solus]

The gov't will never relinquish the "power to tax".   Congress critters of both parties use "taxes" as a motivating/scaring/leveraging tool for elections, pork, and there power base.

That's just the National Level.....Than there is the States, Cities, Counties, Utilities, Property, etc,...et al.

A 9-9-9 plan, cannot be a reform of the current tax code, but a replacement...Much harder to accomplish without a complete upheaval by the vast majority of this country.

OR The 50% of this country that actually do PAY taxes, DOESN'T. Let the IRS deal with 125+ MILLION PEOPLE THAT SEND NO PAYMENT!


Is Dancing with the Stars on tonight?

That's what we'll get instead....

Now you know why I'm a Libertarian 

[tombogan03884]

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Is Herman Cain a Contender?
by  Michael Barone
10/03/2011
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Is Herman Cain​ a serious contender for the Republican presidential nomination? It's a question no one in the pundit world was asking until the past week.
       
Cain has never held public office. When he ran for the Senate in Georgia in 2004, he lost the primary by a 52 percent to 26 percent margin.
       
He has zero experience in foreign or defense policy, where presidents have the most leeway to set policy. When questioned about the Middle East earlier this year, he clearly had no idea what the "right of return" is.
       
His solid performance in the Fox News/Google debate Sept. 22 didn't get pundits to take his chances seriously.
       
Neither did his 37 percent to 15 percent victory over Rick Perry in the Florida straw poll on Sept. 24. That was taken as a response to Perry's weak debate performance and a tribute to Cain for showing up and speaking before the 2,657 people who voted.
       
But Republicans around the nation seem to have responded the same way. The Fox News poll conducted Sept. 25 to 27 showed Cain with 17 percent of the vote -- a statistically significant jump from the 5 percent he had been averaging in polls taken in previous weeks.
       
And a SurveyUSA poll of Florida Republicans conducted Sept. 24 to 27 showed Cain trailing Mitt Romney by only 27 percent to 25 percent -- a statistical tie. That's very different from the Florida polls conducted by Public Policy Polling Sept. 22 to 25 and Quinnipiac Sept. 14 to 19, both of which showed Cain with 7 percent.
       
We will see whether other national or state polls show Cain with a similar surge. If so, then there's a real possibility that Cain could win enough primaries and caucuses to be a real contender.
       
That possibility is already being taken seriously by The Wall Street Journal's Daniel Henninger. Henninger argued in a Sept. 29 column that Cain's success in business -- engineering turnarounds in Burger King's Philadelphia stores and Godfather's Pizza nationally -- made him a plausible candidate.
       
"Unlike the incumbent," Henninger wrote, "Herman Cain has at least twice identified the causes of a large failing enterprise, designed goals, achieved them and by all accounts inspired the people he was supposed to lead."
       
Cain's business success, his "9-9-9" tax plan, his generally conservative stands on issues, the YouTube clip showing him debating Bill Clinton on health care in 1994 -- all of these help account for his apparent surge in the polls.
       
But I suspect there are a couple of other factors. One is likeability. Romney's attempts at ingratiation are awkward, and Perry's charm is lost on most non-Texans. But Cain is, as the Atlantic's liberal analyst Chris Good concedes, "undeniably likeable."
       
Another thing going for him is race. White conservatives like to hear black candidates who articulate their views and will vote for them: Check out Rep. Tim Scott of Charleston, S.C.
       
In this, white conservatives resemble white liberals, who liked hearing Barack Obama articulate their views and were ready to vote for him, too. This is what Joe Biden​ was getting at with his awkward 2007 comment that Obama was a "clean" black candidate.
       
White moderates are ready to support black candidates, too, as Obama showed in the 2008 general election.
       
Cain claims that he could get one-third of the black vote in a general election. There's no way to rigorously test that.
       
But it finds some support in Scott Rasmussen's polls, which have been regularly pitting 10 current or possible candidates against Obama. Rasmussen finds Romney ahead by 2 percent and Chris Christie trailing by 1 percent. The other candidate closest to Obama, trailing by 5 percent, is Cain.
       
Moreover, Cain holds Obama to the lowest share of the vote, 39 percent, of any of the 10 Republicans. That may be because some black voters desert Obama when Cain is the opponent.
       
Further support can be found in the Low Country of South Carolina, where Scott won with 65 percent of the vote in 2010 in a district where John McCain won just 56 percent and where 20 percent of the population is black. No other Republican freshmen in the Old South ran so far ahead of McCain.

All this speculation may be getting far ahead of the facts. Cain still has significant liabilities as a candidate and could make a disqualifying mistake any time. But he's beginning to look like a contender.

[TAB]

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Take 2 people, they make the exact same ammount.( does not matter the ammount)

one works for some one else, the other owns thier own company.  They have several employees, leverage every thing they own, barrows even more.

should they  pay the same tax? or should the guy that is taking risks and pumping $$$$ into the econ pay more or less tax?

They should pay the same.  Unless the risk taker is willing to share some of the rewards of taking that risk with "society" since by giving them a break, "society" is sharing part of that risk.

so what your saying is, a person pumping 1 million into the econ, but only making $60k(I've been there, done that, ), should be chareged the exact same ammount as the office worker that makes $60k.

Which one does more good for the US?   let me use your words, which one has shared more with the "society"?

I can't hink of a better way to help the econ then to encourge people to be 1st guy, You want to put people to work, small biz is where it is at.

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[WatchManUSA]

I kind of like Herman so I sent an email to his campaign to learn his stance on the 2nd Ammendment and the right of a law abiding citizen to carry a firearm for person protection. No word yet...

[JC5123]

so what your saying is, a person pumping 1 million into the econ, but only making $60k(I've been there, done that, ), should be chareged the exact same ammount as the office worker that makes $60k.

Which one does more good for the US?   let me use your words, which one has shared more with the "society"?

I can't hink of a better way to help the econ then to encourge people to be 1st guy, You want to put people to work, small biz is where it is at.

In a word, YES. Your argument shows your ignorance. It doesn't matter how much the person is pumping into the economy, when at the end of the day he "only" makes 60K. That means that both men are making 60K and should pay the same amount.

You bitch and complain about how much you have to pay, but if you haven't taken steps to insulate your personal income from your business, then you either need to fire your accountant, or suck it up and accept the shit sandwich that is the California tax code.

[TAB]

In a word, YES. Your argument shows your ignorance. It doesn't matter how much the person is pumping into the economy, when at the end of the day he "only" makes 60K. That means that both men are making 60K and should pay the same amount.

You bitch and complain about how much you have to pay, but if you haven't taken steps to insulate your personal income from your business, then you either need to fire your accountant, or suck it up and accept the shit sandwich that is the California tax code.

are you sure your not a democrat?

that sounds exactly like them...   You have to look at the big picture, not the small one.( which is what they do)

[tombogan03884]

are you sure your not a democrat?

that sounds exactly like them...   You have to look at the big picture, not the small one.( which is what they do)

Are you sure you're not ?
Spouting BS is a Liberal's trademark.

If both parties earn 60K both pay the same .
Don't like it ? Stay in commiefornia and quit whining.
Special interest azzholes like you are why the tax code is so f*cked up now.

[Solus]

so what your saying is, a person pumping 1 million into the econ, but only making $60k(I've been there, done that, ), should be chareged the exact same ammount as the office worker that makes $60k.

Which one does more good for the US?   let me use your words, which one has shared more with the "society"?

I can't hink of a better way to help the econ then to encourge people to be 1st guy, You want to put people to work, small biz is where it is at.

You don't explain why you only make $60 out of $1 Million

Do you make 60k because of the taxes taken out or that is all you don't use to grow the the business?

If you are growing the business and it takes off and you start making big hauls, you will be glad for the small flat tax....and you will deserve every penny you get....you did the work and you took the risk.

If you are just taking the $60K and using the other $940k to pump up the economy because you love your fellow citizens, thank you...but maybe you should either give yourself a raise and still pump $800K into the economy or learn typing and filing and shoot and boat more with your spare time.

If you are trying to grow the business for a much greater reward in the future and you ask for a break on taxes then you are asking everyone else to help finance your risk in the business....and if you let them do that then they deserve a cut of the big reward.

Problem is that folks like you who do all that work, take all that risk, pump all that cash into the economy are  then wanted to pay through the nose because your hard work and gamble paid off....