It's Not A Pistol Or A Carbine/Rifle... Franklin Armory's AR-15 No NFA Req'd

[Solus]

I suspect the push to can the BATFE is the most expedient way to flush the Fast and Furious down the tubes.

We axed the whole Bureau...what more could we do to prove we disapproved of their rogue actions all along and would have done it sooner had we known about it.

No doubt all the functions of the current BATFE, and probably additional ones, will be placed somewhere else.

The name has been changed to protect the guilty.   

Worked for ACORN.

[bafsu92]

What I don't like is the proposal has no plans to replace/relocate any of the agents. I know we have way to many government employees and could easily stand losing the total number of BATFE agents and support staff but not all of them are bad. why not do a review of all federal agents and drop the bottom 30% or whatever number needed of poor performers. Move some of the better BATFE agents, yes there are some, to other agencies and drop their dead weight in the process. That's the problem with these government jobs, once they're in place it's almost impossible to get them out. Take the best BATFE agents and use them to replace the dead weight in the DEA, ICE (lots of problems here too, if they dump the BATFE this will be the next hated agency) FBI etc. I know all the agents let go would be able to apply and if they had a good record they'd be very high on the hire list but why go through that trouble. 

[tombogan03884]

What I don't like is the proposal has no plans to replace/relocate any of the agents. I know we have way to many government employees and could easily stand losing the total number of BATFE agents and support staff but not all of them are bad. why not do a review of all federal agents and drop the bottom 30% or whatever number needed of poor performers. Move some of the better BATFE agents, yes there are some, to other agencies and drop their dead weight in the process. That's the problem with these government jobs, once they're in place it's almost impossible to get them out. Take the best BATFE agents and use them to replace the dead weight in the DEA, ICE (lots of problems here too, if they dump the BATFE this will be the next hated agency) FBI etc. I know all the agents let go would be able to apply and if they had a good record they'd be very high on the hire list but why go through that trouble. 

F*ck'em.
"Relocating" Prohibition agents is what gave us the useless money hole called the "War on drugs".
Let take their donut sucking Constitution violating fat asses to the unemployment office like the rest of us "downsized" workers and quit sucking on the tax tit like they were something special.

[Solus]

Yeah..and I bet a dollar to that donut that the 30% they picked to keep would be at the other end of the scale from the 30% any of us would pick.

[bafsu92]

Yeah..and I bet a dollar to that donut that the 30% they picked to keep would be at the other end of the scale from the 30% any of us would pick.

That's it right there. If it was done by an independent performance review based on things like closure rates, proficiency etc. then it would be a good idea but when the problems are most likely from the top down they're bound to get it wrong. It just sucks because they do have some good agents and all the other agencies have their share of worthless ones too. It just seems like a good time to clean it all up. Unfortunately it's the government so they'll never get it right.

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[tombogan03884]

That's it right there. If it was done by an independent performance review based on things like closure rates, proficiency etc. then it would be a good idea but when the problems are most likely from the top down they're bound to get it wrong. It just sucks because they do have some good agents and all the other agencies have their share of worthless ones too. It just seems like a good time to clean it all up. Unfortunately it's the government so they'll never get it right.

The only ones at ATF who actually do their job are the ones who collect taxes.
The rest are just a bunch of azzhole Gestapo wannabee's .

[bafsu92]

The only ones at ATF who actually do their job are the ones who collect taxes.
The rest are just a bunch of azzhole Gestapo wannabee's .

I don't know, that's pretty generalized. I know a couple of the field agents who work my area and they're both really good guys. One of them shoots local 3 gun comps and they're both very pro-2A. The one who shoots comps was a FDLE agent who took a leave of absence when his wife had cancer and was out longer than he planned and ended up losing his job. The only thing he could find was BATFE and he does a good job. Most of the shop owners around here like him as well. I've met about 4 other agents through these 2 guys and they all seem like decent, hard working LEO who are pretty knowledgeable. Maybe all the agents up your way are jack booted gestapo, I guess that's the norm but every Florida field agent I've encountered have been some of the better LEO's I've dealt with. My biggest issue is actually with the tax collectors. My first stamp took 5 days short of 9 months to get back and the fastest one I've gotten was right at 4 months. I know people personally who've waited right at a year to get theirs. If anybody isn't doing their job its the paper pushers.

[tombogan03884]

ATF is a tax collection agency, just like Customs.
The rest of it is just badge happy Gestapo BS.
As for the individuals, so what ?
 I've worked for shit hole companies too, the fact that I happen to be good at what I do has nothing to do with them.

[billt]

Supposedly there's a big push around the DOJ to do away with the BATFE. Maybe they can take the NFA, Gun Control Act of 68 and the whole post '86 machine gun crap with them when they hit the door. I know I'm totally dreaming now. I have a better chance of hitting the lotto and throwing down 50k for a nice machine gun.

Not necessarily. I've never been attracted to guns that were made expensive because of a law. Laws can change. We saw what happened to the $110.00 Hi-Cap Glock magazines after the Assault Weapons Ban sunsetted. The price plummeted. The same could happen with full auto guns if they allowed the folks to again purchase new ones, instead of just whats out there, creating an artificial high demand by reducing supply by law. (Thanks Regan).

While I admit the possibility is remote of this happening, it is possible. Especially after how badly the current administration has failed with it's liberal, socialist policies. It may be just the backlash we need. If the Republicans sweep the 2012 election, and commandingly take back the Senate, and fortify their position in the House with a bigger majority, it is possible. You know major pro gun groups will be hard at work trying to push their agenda, much like the dems tried to do theirs after Pelosi & Co. took over in 2006.

In 1986 a new, select fire M-16 ran around $1,600.00. About twice what it was actually worth at the time. Now they can run over $25,000.00. That is insane. I'm not saying you'll be able to buy them at hardware stores again, but if they allowed new ones to be bought by civilians, the price would drop like a brick in a swimming pool. That wouldn't break my heart.

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if you can actaully buy a select fire m16 for 25k, do it.   I've not seen any sell under 30k in about 10 years.  most go for close to 40.