Surviving a traffic stop

[JLawson]

Well Mr Lawson, I intend to piss you off.

Well FQ13, you may be disappointed - I am not pissed, chapped, or offended and my anatomy remains as it was before.  You see, I agree with every one of your points and admit to being somewhat confused by your empassioned reply.  In one of my previous replies in this thread, I stated that I believe 110% in the aggressive application of one's constitutional rights.  Your assumption that I am someone "who thinks that we should just obey unless and until someone in authority says we don't have to" could not be further from the truth.  I didn't say anything that should lead to that assumption.  As a matter of fact, I said we should fight to change those laws that should be changed.  We do that, don't we, when we call and write our Representatives and Senators.  That's what we do, isn't it, when we send our donations to the NRA, SAF, and other groups.

I do not disagree with the video's primay message.  I question the video's more subtle message that it's OK to disobey a law just because you don't like it.  Now please understand, I'm not talking about any kind of "shoot 'em if they dissent" decree - our Founding Fathers took care of that potentiality by giving us the Second Amendment.  You say to question authority... I agree.

I can question authority without breaking existing law.  I don't think we should have to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon... but I have one.  I think that gun-free zones are murder traps... but I don't carry when I must go to one.  I don't think there should be a stop sign at 4th and Elm... but I still come to a complete stop.  There's a pattern here.  Disagree with the law but respect the law - until you can get it changed through aggressive and organized activism.  It's very difficult to fight for a cause while sitting behind bars.

As to your academic service, Sir, I'm sure you were a fine teacher.  I, too, have spent some time behind the lectern and found the experience a very positive one.

[tombogan03884]

Well FQ13, you may be disappointed - I am not pissed, chapped, or offended and my anatomy remains as it was before.  You see, I agree with every one of your points .

Damn JLawson,  He was trying so hard, I think you hurt his feelings.   

[fightingquaker13]

Amen Brother Tom. I miss Eric (did I just say that? ) and his post of the day award. That guy summed up in half an hour what I tried to drum into my studen'ts heads over months. Look, Tom and I are controversial figures on this board and more often than not at each others throats. I also realize that asking someone to watch a long video is a bit much. However, this is fun, entertaining, and most of all the Gods honest truth. Think of it as a SD class for dealing with the police. Watch, or wish you had. Please, watch it, and make sure your kids do as well. At least make sure you get the gist, when confronted by the police, the only words you know are "I'd like to speak to my lawyer", because once the cops are at your door, you won't talk your way into anything but a conviction.
FQ13

[sdsorrentino]

For those of you worried about reaching for your wallet and exposing your firearm, just chuck your wallet on the dash, along with the keys, before the officer comes to the window. The keys show the cop you aren't planning on running, and with your wallet up there your hands don't have to disappear to get your license. You know he's going to want to see it anyway. In my truck, I keep the registration and proof of insurance in a loop on the back of my sun visor. Now I don't even have to go into the glove box.

The real problem is that some people seem to think that the cop should have some reasonable expectation that he's the only one with a gun. They need to learn that they don't enjoy a monopoly of force. It's amazing to me that we're supposed to see cops as our allies, while so many of them see us as threats. Respect is a two way street. They need to respect the citizens, but whether they respect me or not, they will respect my rights.

[fightingquaker13]

Well FQ13, you may be disappointed - I am not pissed, chapped, or offended and my anatomy remains as it was before.  You see, I agree with every one of your points and admit to being somewhat confused by your empassioned reply.  In one of my previous replies in this thread, I stated that I believe 110% in the aggressive application of one's constitutional rights.  Your assumption that I am someone "who thinks that we should just obey unless and until someone in authority says we don't have to" could not be further from the truth.  I didn't say anything that should lead to that assumption.  As a matter of fact, I said we should fight to change those laws that should be changed.  We do that, don't we, when we call and write our Representatives and Senators.  That's what we do, isn't it, when we send our donations to the NRA, SAF, and other groups.

I do not disagree with the video's primay message.  I question the video's more subtle message that it's OK to disobey a law just because you don't like it.  Now please understand, I'm not talking about any kind of "shoot 'em if they dissent" decree - our Founding Fathers took care of that potentiality by giving us the Second Amendment.  You say to question authority... I agree.

I can question authority without breaking existing law.  I don't think we should have to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon... but I have one.  I think that gun-free zones are murder traps... but I don't carry when I must go to one.  I don't think there should be a stop sign at 4th and Elm... but I still come to a complete stop.  There's a pattern here.  Disagree with the law but respect the law - until you can get it changed through aggressive and organized activism.  It's very difficult to fight for a cause while sitting behind bars.

As to your academic service, Sir, I'm sure you were a fine teacher.  I, too, have spent some time behind the lectern and found the experience a very positive one.

I say again, welcome aboard. I wasn't looking to start a fight, I suppose I just misread your post. Thanks for the reply.
FQ13

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[blackwolfe]

When I am stopped for whatever reason I do the following.  
1.  Make sure the radio is turned down or off.
2.  Turn on the dome light if at night.
3.  Open glove compartment door.
4.  Put wallet on dash.
5.  Place hands on wheel in full view.
6.  Disclose to officer that I am licensed to carry and whether or not I am carring immediately.  Michigan is a must disclose state.

If there is time before the officer comes to the truck, I get my registration and proof of insurance out of the glove box and get my drivers license and concealed pistol license out of my wallet and have them ready.

[fightingquaker13]

When I am stopped for whatever reason I do the following.  
1.  Make sure the radio is turned down or off.
2.  Turn on the dome light if at night.
3.  Open glove compartment door.
4.  Put wallet on dash.
5.  Place hands on wheel in full view.
6.  Disclose to officer that I am licensed to carry and whether or not I am carring immediately.  Michigan is a must disclose state.

If there is time before the officer comes to the truck, I get my registration and proof of insurance out of the glove box and get my drivers license and concealed pistol license out of my wallet and have them ready.

Good advice. I did a few ride alongs with the Travis County (Tx.) Sheriff's department as part of an anthropology class I had to take. All of the deputies wanted to see the light on and your hands in plain view. Get your licence after the cop shows up. He can watch you and not be concerned. Busy hands before he gets to the vehicle? It makes them nervous.
FQ13dome

[tombogan03884]

Reduced to the basics

Simple enough ?

[ronlarimer]

Reduced to the basics

Simple enough ?

I think that is about perfect...  Not right for my blog... But it sums it up nicely.  I think the area that most people forget is the "be polite" area and they tried to "discuss" their rights with an armed officer that disagrees.

[tombogan03884]

I think that is about perfect...  Not right for my blog... But it sums it up nicely.  I think the area that most people forget is the "be polite" area and they tried to "discuss" their rights with an armed officer that disagrees.

Argue with the judge, that what he's there for.