Author Topic: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"  (Read 2949 times)

tombogan03884

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2011, 03:26:48 PM »
Why is this even an issue in todays society?

Are people still convinced that smoking a little pot leads to cocaine, heroin, acid, meth, prostitution and child molestation?

Give me a break.....the war on drugs has failed to the tune of several trillion wasted tax dollars.  I think Momma Moon Beam should get reimbursed for someone confiscating her buds!

Geez, didn't you see "Reefer madness" one joint and you're an instant ax murderer.
Especially if you are "darker in skin tone".
There are only 4 groups who support the "war on Drugs" Cops and judges who owe their jobs and pay offs to it, politicians who trot it out to make you think they are actually serving a purpose, (they are, but it's not the one they want you to think of ) Crooks who are making $ billions from it, and stupid people who blame the object for the acts of irresponsible people, (the same genius's that gave us "Prohibition )

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2011, 03:32:44 PM »
Why is this even an issue in todays society?

Are people still convinced that smoking a little pot leads to cocaine, heroin, acid, meth, prostitution and child molestation?

Give me a break.....the war on drugs has failed to the tune of several trillion wasted tax dollars.  I think Momma Moon Beam should get reimbursed for someone confiscating her buds!

True, but until the law is changed, repealed, or declared unconstitutional, it will stand, and people will be arrested and prosecuted if they violate it..

tombogan03884

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2011, 03:38:33 PM »
True, but until the law is changed, repealed, or declared unconstitutional, it will stand, and people will be arrested and prosecuted if they violate it..

Well, on the bright side, it continues to serve its purpose of letting them lock up blacks and Mexicans.

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2011, 03:39:12 PM »
I think I just had a shift in my opinion of Medicinal Marijuana, my libertarian roots are showing.  I don't know that legalizing it would help the industry though, the Feds would be all over it for tax revenue.
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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2011, 03:42:13 PM »
Well, on the bright side, it continues to serve its purpose of letting them lock up blacks and Mexicans.

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
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tombogan03884

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2011, 03:44:37 PM »
Magoo, look back on the changes in the booze industry between 1929 when it was banned and 1934 when it was legal.
Yes, the feds taxed the crap out of it, so what ? ever hear of a quality brewer or distiller going broke  due to lack of demand ?

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2011, 04:12:54 PM »
Good luck finding a fed to agree with you.  Look in the "Honest Politician" aisle of the local Crooks 'R Us.

Even though the woman grew the marijuana strictly for her own consumption and never sold any, the Supreme Court stated that growing one's own marijuana affects the interstate market of marijuana.

The mind boggles....

From the SCOTUS ruling:
Banning the growing of marijuana for medical use, the Court reasoned, was a permissible way of preventing or limiting access to marijuana for other uses:

"Even respondents acknowledge the existence of an illicit market in marijuana; indeed, Raich has personally participated in that market, and Monson expresses a willingness to do so in the future. More concretely, one concern prompting inclusion of wheat grown for home consumption in the 1938 Act was that rising market prices could draw such wheat into the interstate market, resulting in lower market prices. Wickard, 317 U.S., at 128. The parallel concern making it appropriate to include marijuana grown for home consumption in the CSA is the likelihood that the high demand in the interstate market will draw such marijuana into that market. While the diversion of homegrown wheat tended to frustrate the federal interest in stabilizing prices by regulating the volume of commercial transactions in the interstate market, the diversion of homegrown marijuana tends to frustrate the federal interest in eliminating commercial transactions in the interstate market in their entirety. In both cases, the regulation is squarely within Congress' commerce power because production of the commodity meant for home consumption, be it wheat or marijuana, has a substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2011, 05:21:39 PM »
From the SCOTUS ruling:
Banning the growing of marijuana for medical use, the Court reasoned, was a permissible way of preventing or limiting access to marijuana for other uses:

"Even respondents acknowledge the existence of an illicit market in marijuana; indeed, Raich has personally participated in that market, and Monson expresses a willingness to do so in the future. More concretely, one concern prompting inclusion of wheat grown for home consumption in the 1938 Act was that rising market prices could draw such wheat into the interstate market, resulting in lower market prices. Wickard, 317 U.S., at 128. The parallel concern making it appropriate to include marijuana grown for home consumption in the CSA is the likelihood that the high demand in the interstate market will draw such marijuana into that market. While the diversion of homegrown wheat tended to frustrate the federal interest in stabilizing prices by regulating the volume of commercial transactions in the interstate market, the diversion of homegrown marijuana tends to frustrate the federal interest in eliminating commercial transactions in the interstate market in their entirety. In both cases, the regulation is squarely within Congress' commerce power because production of the commodity meant for home consumption, be it wheat or marijuana, has a substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich



Now THAT is freaking classic! The Court is saying two things. The first is that Congress can ban or tax your vegetable garden because it means you aren't buying food at the store. Therefore, you are engaed in interstate commerse by not engaing in it. :o :o ???

But, wait, there's more, and its better than a bamboo steamer!

.They go on to say that Congress can regulate interstate commerce that it has banned., So basically, even though  selling pot is illegal, by growing your own you are effecting interstate commerce by not patronizing your local dealer, which, by the way is a felony. WTF? :o :o :o

Tell me the justices weren't smoking something a lot more potent than pot.

tombogan03884

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2011, 07:30:59 PM »
Any one who tolerates this crap deserves to ride the cattle cars for "resettlement".
As for me, if a reasonable leader came forward and said "It's time to start killing these A holes, let the revolution begin", I might not be the first to join, but I damn sure would join.

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2011, 08:07:08 PM »
I remember discovering the "liberty" that was taken with the interpretation of the Commerce clause when Rush Limbaugh touched on it and sent me searching.  It sounded alot like FQ13....

WHOA!  Now I'm scared!  ;D
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