less than lethel options

[Timothy]

Stupid is when you need a state issued FID (firearms ID) to buy or carry pepper spray!  That's the law here!

To the OP, I'm looking at carrying a shillelagh.  Been looking around for a nice original and use it for a walking stick. 

Other than that, I carry a knife and a flashlight as well as a handgun.  I don't know that what happened in MN was a flash mob or just a bunch of unruly peckerwoods looking for trouble.  Either way, I avoid really busy places anyway.

To Toms point, if someone assaults me or my family, someone will either die or end up in the ICU.  I won't give them a second chance. 

[MikeBjerum]

The reports on this mass disturbance was that over 200 people were involved.  It started in the main food court and spread throughout the mall.  I may have a different view than some or many but I will state it just the same:

Rule number one is "stop the threat."  If I am in a confined space, such as a food court, and a hundred people start fighting, I am going to respond by gathering those I'm with and trying to get out.  However, if my exit routes are blocked or any threat comes our way I will respond in a manor to stop the threat.

None of us are currently in a threat situation, so none of us can say for sure how we would react or what force we would use.  But, like any threat situation I will not sacrifice my safety out of fear of lawsuit or legal action.  "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six!"

[JC5123]

To Toms point, if someone assaults me or my family, someone will either die or end up in the ICU.  I won't give them a second chance. 

I agree, I look at every physical confrontation as potentially life threatening. If you didn't want to do me harm you would not be threatening me. I also do not believe in proportional response. If you come after me with fists, I'm coming after you with a howitzer. It's about surviving, and you don't survive very long by playing nice with people looking to hurt you.

[Timothy]

The reports on this mass disturbance was that over 200 people were involved.  It started in the main food court and spread throughout the mall.  I may have a different view than some or many but I will state it just the same:

m58...did it have any coordination?  Was there anything to determine if they were all connected?  My sister was there a few days earlier and would have had no chance what so ever to defend herself.  She hates going but her daughter wanted to get some last minute shopping done.

For anyone who's not aware of the enormity of that place, they say that if you stayed for 5 minutes in each store, it would take you nearly four days to visit every one!

[MikeBjerum]

This morning it was reported that "social media" was involved.  As fast as it spread through the mall, and this place is massive for those that have not been there, it had to have been planned in advance.  I'm waiting to hear if the attackers and victims were rivals or if the victims were random.

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[Timothy]

We heard that there was a hip hop artist scheduled to perform who decided not to show for the gig and things got out of hand.  Again, its' the NBC nightly news so it's anyones guess as to what actually occurred.

I worry about my big sis sometimes.  She's not one of the sheeple but she's 66 and lives alone.  Her kids keep a close eye on her though.

[tombogan03884]

It may be stupid,BUT if it's the law you have to live within it. I think that it's stupid that my NY  State CCW is not valid in nycity,but theirs are valid upstate,However It's the law and I deal with it by not going into the city...Ever.The chance of it getting changed is about the same as You voting for obama in the next election.There are circumstance where less than lethal force is better than deadly force and it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option.

You are either in danger , in which case lethal force is the only sane option , or you are not, in which case no violence is called for.
There is no middle ground.

[Majer]

Things aren't always black and white Tom.If I can use a non lethal weapon to get away from a threat then I will do that.If I HAVE to shoot someone to protect myself or a loved one then I am willing and able to do that.

[MikeBjerum]

We heard that there was a hip hop artist scheduled to perform who decided not to show for the gig and things got out of hand.  Again, its' the NBC nightly news so it's anyones guess as to what actually occurred.

I worry about my big sis sometimes.  She's not one of the sheeple but she's 66 and lives alone.  Her kids keep a close eye on her though.

That was in the initial reports but was dismissed as the actual cause.  The reason given was that it appeared far to coordinated.  I'm waiting to see what comes out of who the victims were. 

Overall it has gotten very quiet which typically means that they are trying to track down someone (or group) without tipping them off.  That and the short attention span of our Twin Cities media.  We had a three year old killed by a stray bullet in another part of town, and now all attention is on that.

[Solus]

Things aren't always black and white Tom.If I can use a non lethal weapon to get away from a threat then I will do that.If I HAVE to shoot someone to protect myself or a loved one then I am willing and able to do that.

What you mean is you will try to use non lethal force and hope it works and  you can get away.

It fails and you are on the ground getting your kidneys kicked to mush, you last thoughts before passing out might be...Gee, I should have used my gun.