Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?

[Solus]

Groin, legs, Head, armpits, the point to remember is that no matter how good the vest is, it is not some kind of magic cape.
There are still vulnerabilities.

Which brings us all the way back to the OP.  Accuracy.

[PABLO DEL NORTE]

    HEADSHOTS!!   HEADSHOTS!!!

TIME TO REDO THE GIRLS SHOOTING REMINDERS!

HEADHSOTS!!!  WITH THE SHOTGUNS!!!   

[Magoo541]

   HEADSHOTS!!   HEADSHOTS!!!

TIME TO REDO THE GIRLS SHOOTING REMINDERS!

HEADHSOTS!!!  WITH THE SHOTGUNS!!!   

Although at cross the room distances with a shotgun hits on body armor will cease hostilities for all but the most determined criminals.  If they insist on continuing after they catch their breath then rack another shell and let them have it.

[Solus]

I've been told when using a mouse gun (.380 or less) going for a head shot is the best course.

I expect most encounters where I will be using my LCP, I probably wont have much time to take a head shot.  If I do have time, I'll likely have time to present the G23 and then I'm not using a  mouse gun any more...excepting the views of the .45ACP crowd 

If I do have the time, I'll take that advice if I can, but I do expect my target to be at the end of my left arm....if I'm lucky.

[MikeBjerum]

Remember that this is self defense.  It is not kill or capture.  Even with body armor a .22 lr is not comfortable.  Any  body shot is going to have an effect.  Do what you need to do to stop the threat.  If that means that you eventually need to go to kill shots you have to go for kill shots.  However, planning and practicing kill shots shows an intent to kill over self defense.

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[Solus]

Remember that this is self defense.  It is not kill or capture.  Even with body armor a .22 lr is not comfortable.  Any  body shot is going to have an effect.  Do what you need to do to stop the threat.  If that means that you eventually need to go to kill shots you have to go for kill shots.  However, planning and practicing kill shots shows an intent to kill over self defense.

Well, that is an iffy one.

For instance, if you are using a shotgun in a hostage situation where the hostage is being held by the bad guy with the bad guy looking over the hostage's shoulder, your point of aim should be the outside ear of the bad guy.  This will give a head shot and spare the hostage.

Now, that is a kill shot pretty much for sure....but I'd like to have a practice go or two before I needed to try it out first time live.

[fightingquaker13]

Remember that this is self defense.  It is not kill or capture.  Even with body armor a .22 lr is not comfortable.  Any  body shot is going to have an effect.  Do what you need to do to stop the threat.  If that means that you eventually need to go to kill shots you have to go for kill shots.  However, planning and practicing kill shots shows an intent to kill over self defense.

That's one I'd be willing to argue in front of jury. I'd summon the firearms instructor of the local police academy and ask where he instructs his students to shoot. That should end the conversation.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Remember that this is self defense.  It is not kill or capture.  Even with body armor a .22 lr is not comfortable.  Any  body shot is going to have an effect.  Do what you need to do to stop the threat.  If that means that you eventually need to go to kill shots you have to go for kill shots.  However, planning and practicing kill shots shows an intent to kill over self defense.

That's ridiculous and flies in the face of what every other creditable instructor teaches, which is, if Center mass isn't getting it done go for the head.

It's that "Failure drill MB harps on in his pod casts when discussing mouse guns.

[Rastus]

Shoot for the crotch.
When bullets smash their pelvis there is no solid structure to support their body.
Down they will go.

A friend I work with who did time kicking doors in the sandbox told me to shoot for the hair down there.  So center of mass headed down to stop the threat may be a good plan for a given circumstance.

[MikeBjerum]

That's ridiculous and flies in the face of what every other creditable instructor teaches, which is, if Center mass isn't getting it done go for the head.

It's that "Failure drill MB harps on in his pod casts when discussing mouse guns.

Tom,

It does not fly in the face of "what every other credible instructor teaches."  Stop the threat is what credible instructors teach.  In a survival/self defense situation how do you and your attorney explain time taken to go for head shots?  Stopping the threat is taking the quick and dependable body shots and only going further if you need to ... oh wait ... that is exactly what you said in your center mass and then head.

What I am saying is that this is not about killing!  This is about stopping the threat!

If you want to continue arguing this I might want to remind you that if you are involved in a shooting and brought up on charges everything you type on here about kill, kill, kill will be found and used by a good prosecutor or the bad guy's attorney going after your left nut.