New Member Intro

[johncasey4]

Rebel,  I think you are giving me too much credit...

On top of that, I don't speak for Rob, he is a lifetime member of the NRA.  And I haven't jumped on the wrong forum, I just don't see eye to eye with some of those here regarding a specific topic.  I hate to be the one to tell you, but different view points are what makes this country so special.  If we all agreed, we'd never learn.

[tombogan03884]

Rob may be a fine guy with a valuable lesson plan, but if johncasey4 is an example of his instructors ,my money will be going to Gabe Suarez, Clint Smith and others who do not leech money off my sport with out giving anything back to it. Oh yeah, some of it will be going to the NRA as well.

""Lone Gunman, Lone Gun get it, I work alone get it..."

With that attitude you must have been a REAL comfort to your team mates.

[johncasey4]

Again with the personal attacks... you really are a simple thing aren't you?

When I WAS in the the TEAMs I WAS part of a TEAM.  I am no longer part of the Teams, and there fore am not on a team where I have to watch someone else's back. 

On top of that Mr. Junior Highschool, that was a movie quote that in context you would have understood as someone looking to not join a club...

[TSB]

Rob may be a fine guy with a valuable lesson plan, but if johncasey4 is an example of his instructors ,my money will be going to Gabe Suarez, Clint Smith and others who do not leech money off my sport with out giving anything back to it. Oh yeah, some of it will be going to the NRA as well.

""Lone Gunman, Lone Gun get it, I work alone get it..."

With that attitude you must have been a REAL comfort to your team mates.

Tom, don't try to change the mind of a young man who, although well read and articulate, is not willing to debate anything other than his own point of view.  I appreciate his service to our country as I do with all veterans but I'm not in the market for more training so what their selling, I'm not buying.  They are in the business of making money, and the training they provide is a means to an end, nothing more.

I've seen my own mortality and hung on from a thread and believe me, living is a hell of alot harder than dying so if I get shot (unlikely) because of a lack of defense training, so be it.  I've made my peace and I won't be paying for a funeral.....

[Big Frank]

There is so much more irony in your statement, let's see.  You are assuming that I value my paycheck over my integrity, you would wrong as two boys having sex.  To me, if I have to submit to something that I am against, in any form, to fight for what I believe in, then it is a wash, a no win, a draw.  And not even a tie, when it comes to my integrity, there is very little I put above it.  How can I, in one breath say that I think lobbying groups are destroying our government and therefore by proxy our nation, and then go support a lobbying group...

  What I find ironic is that you, Tom, live in a state who's motto is "Live Free or Die" and you feel like you have to give up one freedom to support another (and yes, feeling obliged to give to an organization is a loss of freedom, regardless of the cost).  And second and even funnier, is that you live in a town named after a region whose people wouldn't even give a token of "Earth and Water" to appease the people trying to disarm them.  Laconia (Sparta) and it's people refused to accept life any other way than that which they saw fit. 

  You know what is worst of all?  We are a country born of fire, blood and a refusal to accept things other than the way we want it.  We pontificate about republican this and democrat that.  Do you realize that if George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were alive today that they would most likely be leading a violent revolution against a defunct system plagued by lies, only out for themselves and dead set against removing things that should be ours by birthright?  If we hadn't grown so comfortable in our ways, the ways given to us by the very freedoms that we hold dear, that we would have taken our country back by now.  So you pay someone to go to Washington and stump for you, and so they get the job done this year... great, good for you.  It is a bandaid, just like all of this bailout money that they are giving away.  I won't support it, end of story.  It isn't a question of endurance, it is a question of integrity, and until someone gives me a reason larger than that I won't be joining...

It sounds to me like you're making an assumption by saying that Tom is assuming something. Is it okay for you to make assumptions and wrong for anyone else to do the same?

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[johncasey4]

Jumbo he would have to be making an assumption, he has no evidence or personal interaction with which to base his comment.

[Big Frank]

Wisconsin, first off brother, don't take leaps of faith, don't put faith in what I say or do, when you deal with me remove faith from your vocabulary... why?  Because faith by definition removes the right to question.  Your brain is far more powerful than any gun you will ever carry, don't surrender it willingly ever.  As to your thoughts on my perspective, again you are forgetting the goal.  You, the Green Berets and LA SWAT, at the end of the day, all have the same goal in training, to make it more likely that you go home at the end of the conflict.  Boiled down it is as simple as that.  When I am teaching shooting, and just shooting, everyone gets the same thing.  There isn't an "advanced super secret Navy Seal technique" that I will only teach to people that have a "I'm a ninja" letter.  Tactics are different, that has to apply to the individual, but shooting is the same.  Let me be perfectly clear with you, who I chose to affiliate with has absolutely no bearing on how or what I teach outside of what I have limited myself to learning.  If I were your trainer, you would be encouraged to ask questions that challenged the very ground that I built my case upon and if you found a glaring deficiency, I would DEMAND that you called me on it.  The NRA has nothing to do with what I teach, even if it was an NRA curriculum.  I have learned a great many things with regard to shooting.  I have accepted the responsibility of vetting all information based on rational thought and science.  Anything else is emotionally contrived BS and it has zero place in this world.

Full Auto, thanks for the welcome.  I agree with your thoughts on the decision having to come from the inside.  With regards to your other question, let's see; 1.  Team guys are issued Sigs, I have no idea what they carry personally, I carry an M&P compact 9mm.
2. Seals do not like cold water, in fact they hate it (usually) and in general being cold at all. 3. Team guys don't use 90% of the equipment advertised as "Official _____ of the Navy Seals." 4.BUDs, while difficult isn't the hardest training in the world... Being in a platoon is much harder.  5. Yes, we all remember what class we graduated with, no class numbers don't have letters, yes we will do everything we can to destroy you if you say you were, and weren't a Seal. 
Those are really all I can think of at this point, if you have any specific questions I will usually answer them.  The bottom line for me is that being a Seal enabled me to do a great many things, it opened doors, but it doesn't define who I am... just a job, and at the end of the day, a job like any other job that you get tired of...

brosmetal- take the Steelers, the ravens had like 20 injuries last weekend and Flaco is bound to make "the Mistake" some time.  Thanks for the welcome, I think we are going to have fun, hopefully we all learn a little too.

The NRA has nothing to do with NRA curriculum? That's interesting.

[johncasey4]

What I mean is that I teach what I believe to be the most efficient defensive shooting tactics that I have learned.  If what I had learned was an NRA curriculum, then I would teach it because it made sense, not because "The NRA said so." 

I can see how that would be confusing and I apologize for any vagueness.

[Rob Pincus]

So, as usual, I come back to Respectful Irreverence: http://www.downrange.tv/blog/?p=1666. Debate the information, not the man. I would suggest a deep breath and a short read for many involved in this circular thread.

-RJP

PS- I'm not a life member of NRA... I'm a historically sporadic annual Member and certified to teach a couple of their courses. I'm a Life Member of  the NRA/ILA spin-off LEAA.

PPS- John has done so much good for my business as a thinker and instructor that it would be awfully hard to undo it with a few expressed opinions that he is more than entitled to.

[cookie62]

This from my post on another thread:




I have been a member on and off for over 25 years. BUT, I don't think that people are any better or worse for not being a member. The fact that they are pro-gun is enough for me. Being a member of any organization is a personal choice. Just because someone isn't a member doesn't make them anti-NRA, maybe they are, I don't know and haven't read any statements that make me think that. So don't discount anyone just because they don't belong to the same things, be it political party, church, or profession.

Just my 2 cents, It's worth what you paid.