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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 04:53:32 PM »
The point I'm going for is that if you are going to go into the real people it means warts and all.
An accurate look at Mother Teresa could make her look like a self promoting SOB.
And as to the Brady bunch, they have in fact tried to argue that the "No guns in town" ordinances set the precedent for their agenda.

Great!  Let them do it again with an educated public that understands everything that both drove the gun bans and the consequences the bans brought on.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 07:00:25 PM »
Depends on whether you want to "perpetuate the myth", or disillusion a whole generation, by showing just what a bunch of self important scum bags these people actually were.
The law men were all drunks, most like the Earp's got famous enforcing some form of "No guns in town" ordinance.
After fighting for 40 years to regain the right to concealed carry and self defense, do we really want to glorify the original Brady bunch ?
Then of course there was the whole issue of them being paid based on the fines they collected, that was a very lucrative shake down.

Matt Dillon was a much better role model, do you actually want to show off alcoholic extortionists as "the American Ideal" ?
None of the real ones "rode off into the sunset, they were more likely to stagger back into the bar.

Tom, you are way off base here. Did they drink? Yeah. Were they drunks? Not hardly, they would have been dead if they were drunks.

Tilghman was a Town Marshal in his 70s when he was killed by a drunk Revenue Agent. The agent was drunk, not Tilghman.

Holliday was probably the closest to an alcoholic, but then he was a lunger, so the drinking probably took the edge off the pain of the disease.

Custer was foolhardy and headstrong, not drunk at the Little Big Horn. He was drunk on duty earlier in his career, and went AWOL to see his wife - hardy atypical in the Army in those days. Hell, Sickles killed a man in DC for diddling Sickles' wife, and got promoted - and acquitted. There is no indication that Custer was a drunkard after that earlier episode.

Bass Reeves was damn near a teetotaler IIRC. He was cold, methodical and one of the best man-trackers and Marshals in the west.

History is about the reality, both as a positive role model for their actions, and as warnings against their failings.
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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 07:15:45 PM »
Ok, guess I should have gone into why I liked it 1. A different perspective, most historians know nothing about firearms or law enforcement 2. Discussed the firearms that were present 3. What could have been done different 4. I'm a cowpoke at heart and this is the archatypal (yeah I know spelling) gunfight.

I know that the Earps and Holiday weren't saints, alot has been written about it, talked about, ect.  The show was about the gunfight nothing more.  I'm not taking last night's episode as the authoratavite documentary on the Earps just a piece of the puzzle that gets little or no coverage because the general lack of knowledge of firearms. 

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and we don't have to like all aspects of someone's character to gain from what their life entailed.
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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 09:34:45 PM »
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and we don't have to like all aspects of someone's character to gain from what their life entailed.

I'd smoke a cigar to that.......if I still smoked cigars..........  ;)  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 09:46:11 PM »
I'd smoke a cigar to that.......if I still smoked cigars..........  ;)  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Hahaha I don't smoke those too often either.
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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2012, 12:00:23 AM »
ME TOO!

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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2012, 07:30:25 PM »


Got to be fast, and one of the greatest movie scenes of all time....

"I'm afraid the strain was more than he could bear."......Your no Daisy.....

Classic.....
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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2012, 07:54:09 PM »


Got to be fast, and one of the greatest movie scenes of all time....

"I'm afraid the strain was more than he could bear."......Your no Daisy.....

Classic.....

Doc is one of my favorite movie characters, Kilmer was on his game in this movie...................."say when"
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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2012, 07:08:23 AM »
Doc is one of my favorite movie characters, Kilmer was on his game in this movie...................."say when"

Amen to that!

The scene where Doc was in bed at the King Ranch still gives me goose bumps. IIRC, John Milius was one of the writers on this movie, and that would explain the dialogue between Wyatt and Doc.

Wyatt: What drives a man like Ringo, Doc?

Doc: He's trying to fill a deep dark empty hole inside of himself, and no amount of killing or pain can ever fill it.


You can tell Doc is speaking of what he knows only too well about himself. BTW, this scene resonates with me so much because I have come to learn that it's a hole we all have in varying sizes and depths, and some try to fill it with sex, or pornography, or gambling or cigarettes or drugs or some other form of addiction.
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Re: Tombstone
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2012, 09:12:52 AM »
Amen to that!

The scene where Doc was in bed at the King Ranch still gives me goose bumps. IIRC, John Milius was one of the writers on this movie, and that would explain the dialogue between Wyatt and Doc.

Wyatt: What drives a man like Ringo, Doc?

Doc: He's trying to fill a deep dark empty hole inside of himself, and no amount of killing or pain can ever fill it.


You can tell Doc is speaking of what he knows only too well about himself. BTW, this scene resonates with me so much because I have come to learn that it's a hole we all have in varying sizes and depths, and some try to fill it with sex, or pornography, or gambling or cigarettes or drugs or some other form of addiction.
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