George Zimmerman Charged

[crusader rabbit]

I commented on another related thread:

The mother went on TV today saying she thought the shooting was an "accident" but wanted justice to be served.

Mother then clarified that the "accident" she was referring to was the "accident" of her son meeting Zimmerman--not the shooting.   THAT was a racially motivated killing of a black choir boy who was devoting his life to single mothers and a small business specializing in a naturally grown consumer product.

This whole thing is a sad situation, and Zimmerman may well turn out to be the scapegoat.

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[tombogan03884]

This is a perfect example of why I condemn "Democracy" it is nothing more than the "Dictatorship of the mob".

Mother then clarified that the "accident" she was referring to was the "accident" of her son meeting Zimmerman--not the shooting.   THAT was a racially motivated killing of a black choir boy who was devoting his life to single mothers and a small business specializing in a naturally grown consumer product.

This whole thing is a sad situation, and Zimmerman may well turn out to be the scapegoat.

Crusader

Knocking up girls on welfare and selling weed.   

[twyacht]

Guess what deters looters? Just like the Koreans did in LA protecting their store?

[tt11758]

I think the Murder2 charge is designed to give the jury the option of manslaughter while still trying to keep the lid on the shit storm that the Revs. Sharpton and Jackass are praying boils over.

[Ocin]

I've been going through all the responses. This case has even hit the media on the other side of the ocean, including here in The Netherlands. The MSM here in Holland have more or less portrayed this as a racially motivated killing (of course mentioning that the gunman has not yet been tried, in a byline).

For what it's worth: I would like to see this as a shooting in the old days, the "Wild West": armed man shoots unarmed man. Should he just walk away without being tried, because of the fact that he claims to have shot in self defence? I think there should be some public investigation/trial/grand jury/proceeding or how you would want to call it in order to establish the facts.

However, having said that, I hope for him, as well as the entire coloured community in the US that that proceeding will be open, unbiassed and proper.

Ocin

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[MikeBjerum]

I've been going through all the responses. This case has even hit the media on the other side of the ocean, including here in The Netherlands. The MSM here in Holland have more or less portrayed this as a racially motivated killing (of course mentioning that the gunman has not yet been tried, in a byline).

For what it's worth: I would like to see this as a shooting in the old days, the "Wild West": armed man shoots unarmed man. Should he just walk away without being tried, because of the fact that he claims to have shot in self defence? I think there should be some public investigation/trial/grand jury/proceeding or how you would want to call it in order to establish the facts.

However, having said that, I hope for him, as well as the entire coloured community in the US that that proceeding will be open, unbiassed and proper.

Ocin

And that is what is happening right now, and has been since the start.  The Grand Jury was not called, because the investigation shows no evidence of First Degree Murder.  The problem is that the media will not let the system work.  They want microwave justice in a crockpot system.  The anti's want to compare carry and self defense as wild west justice:  Maybe they should sit back and consider the parallels between their rapid conviction demands and the old lynch mobs.  Check your history and you will find that the wild west gunfights mostly didn't happen, but lynch mob justice and mentality was common from the settlement of this land all the way to current time.

[tombogan03884]

The "wild west" wasn't actually that wild.
People started work before sun up so they didn't spend that much time raising hell.
Dodge City, or Tombstone were a hell of a lot safer than NY or Chicago, then or now.

[Solus]

It is ironic that it is the Black community pushing for lynch mentality.

Are they fools, having forgotten what supporting that attitude cost them in the past?

Are they hypocrites decrying that mentality when they were the target, but quick to yell for a rope when it is someone else?

Or are they just vicious seeking revenge?

No matter which, it was gravely wrong before, is gravely wrong now and will be gravely wrong always.

My take is that with the "evidence" I have seen, odds are Zimmerman is guilty.   Just like I felt OJ was guilty...but if I had been on OJ's jury with the facts I know, I would have voted not guilty.  Too much proof of police tampering with evidence to allow me not to have a reasonable doubt about all the evidence.

But there needs to be a fair trial for Zimmerman, if that is possible any longer.  And my hunch, again from what has been released is that there will not be enough evidence to convict him unless some eye witness to  how the confrontation evolved comes forward.

That Zimmerman seemed aggressive in his surveillance of the kid and probably pushed it too far just doesn't cut it for removing reasonable doubt.

[tombogan03884]

It is ironic that it is the Black community pushing for lynch mentality.

Are they fools, having forgotten what supporting that attitude cost them in the past?

Are they hypocrites decrying that mentality when they were the target, but quick to yell for a rope when it is someone else?

Or are they just vicious seeking revenge?

No matter which, it was gravely wrong before, is gravely wrong now and will be gravely wrong always.

My take is that with the "evidence" I have seen, odds are Zimmerman is guilty.   Just like I felt OJ was guilty...but if I had been on OJ's jury with the facts I know, I would have voted not guilty.  Too much proof of police tampering with evidence to allow me not to have a reasonable doubt about all the evidence.

But there needs to be a fair trial for Zimmerman, if that is possible any longer.  And my hunch, again from what has been released is that there will not be enough evidence to convict him unless some eye witness to  how the confrontation evolved comes forward.

That Zimmerman seemed aggressive in his surveillance of the kid and probably pushed it too far just doesn't cut it for removing reasonable doubt.

Based on the facts I've seen Zimmerman probably prevented another burglary.

[jnevis]

I think the Murder2 charge is designed to give the jury the option of manslaughter while still trying to keep the lid on the shit storm that the Revs. Sharpton and Jackass are praying boils over.

Don't know about FL but in a lot of places you can only pass sentence on the original charge, not drop to a lower one.  That's why in "typical" murder trials, they are charged with murder, manslaughter, and any other crime they can to have a better chance of conviction.
If Zimmerman is ONLY charged with murder and they can't convict on it, it's double jeopardy to try him for manslaughter.  He CAN be charged with civil penalties though, which unfortunately he probably will.