Question. Should Boy Scout Troop Leaders Be Allowed To Carry?

[Timothy]

If you are so sure that guns are required for scout leaders, then name 3 actual events that have involved scout troops needing to shoot their way out of a situation. i know of none, ever.

This took five minutes to find on the interweb!  I'm sure I could find more...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301758,00.html

http://www.wlwt.com/r/24182368/detail.html

Friday, July 21, 2006
SPRINGVILLE, Utah - A black bear that bit a sleeping Boy Scout through the wall of his tent was shot after it later returned to the camp, authorities said.

Colton Stewart, 14, woke up early Wednesday to a burning sensation in his upper arm, then realized it was a bear biting his arm through the tent, state wildlife officials said. He pulled away and heard the bear run off through the brush.

"It wasn't biting viciously. They put their mouth on things to see what they taste like," said Anis Aoude, regional wildlife manager for the state Division of Wildlife Resources. "In this case, there just happened to be a kid's arm on the other side of the tent."

The bite wasn't serious, but camp officials notified the state, which sent a game warden to the Adventure Park Scout Camp in central Utah.

That evening, as barbecued ribs were being prepared for the 90 Scouts, the 2- to 3-year-old female bear wandered back into the area, DWR Central Region Supervisor John Fairchild said.

"It wasn't afraid of anybody," Fairchild said. "It paralleled the camp, and the conservation officer waited for the bear to get away from the people in a safe area before he shot it."

The bear had apparently become habituated to eating human food and had lost its fear of people, making it dangerous so close to the camp.

[Ranger Dave]

More than likely the scouts made one or more of the following mistakes;
1. food in tent
2. sleeping in the clothes he ate in or clothes in tent
3. did not dispose of excess food properly or had food in camp.

Ranger Dave

[Timothy]

More than likely the scouts made one or more of the following mistakes;
1. food in tent
2. sleeping in the clothes he ate in or clothes in tent
3. did not dispose of excess food properly or had food in camp.

Ranger Dave

Agreed but to say that animal attacks simply don't occur is silly!  Bears are omnivorous, mountain lions, wolf and coyote are not!  A hungry or trapped critter is one of the most dangerous things you'll encounter in the wild.  Second only to man I'd expect!

[Ranger Dave]

Granted I would like to be able to carry on a scout trip and follow all the proper procedures for for camping in the wilderness. However I would hate to tell little Johnys mom something like this happened.http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=17604.0

Ranger Dave

[Timothy]

Granted I would like to be able to carry on a scout trip and follow all the proper procedures for for camping in the wilderness. However I would hate to tell little Johnys mom something like this happened.http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=17604.0

Ranger Dave

No argument from me Dave!  That was and is a tragedy.

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[oldkat69]

Yes I do; no you cant'; that's why they call it concealed.

[MikeBjerum]

Jnevis,

Can you explain what basis the plaintiffs stood on when they sued concerning God and male only?  This is a private organization, and I never understood how they could sue.

[JC5123]

Jnevis,

Can you explain what basis the plaintiffs stood on when they sued concerning God and male only?  This is a private organization, and I never understood how they could sue.

Cutthroat lawyers. The same ones that brought the case forward where Muslims attending a Catholic College sued because there was nowhere in the facility they could go to pray without some catholic symbol. Not sure how that one ever made it into a court.

[JoeG]

Friday, July 21, 2006
SPRINGVILLE, Utah - A black bear that bit a sleeping Boy Scout through the wall of his tent was shot after it later returned to the camp, authorities said.

Note that the bear was shot by authorities but not with a CCW.

I am not saying that there aren't critters out there or that there are not dangers.  I have spent a lot of time in my life in the woods and seen a few predators over the years. But it is silly to declare that BSA is a bunch of bums because they have chosen not to fight the political fight that someone else wants them to fight. If you want to carry then carry and accept that you will be ejected from the organization if it becomes an issue. Be there for the kids not for your politics.

I spend my time teaching them awareness and planning which i believe puts them way ahead of the herd throughout the rest of their lives. I use my EMT skills to treat injured kids all the time and have yet to run into one where a gun would have stopped the injury. Obviously I like guns,i just don't think they magically solve problems.

[JoeG]

Jnevis,

Can you explain what basis the plaintiffs stood on when they sued concerning God and male only?  This is a private organization, and I never understood how they could sue.

They don't have to win in court. they win in the media and bleed money from the defendant. The longer it takes the more money the bleed and that happier they are. obviously those they oppose are racist homophobic woman haters. By and large the scouts have done well avoiding being a easy target and not being affected by the media attention. It helps that a large % of leaders in all area of society are Eagle Scouts.