Question. Should Boy Scout Troop Leaders Be Allowed To Carry?

[Ranger Dave]

Not worrired so much about little guy being turned into cougar or bear turds if proper food and camp proceedure are followed. I am worried about the dad of the new scout who has never been camping and has his new gun (which he does not know how to use or basid safety) with worried about critters.

[Ranger Dave]

I am of the opinion if you have cc permit and no one sees it no problem.

Ranger Dave

[tombogan03884]

I am of the opinion if you have cc permit and no one sees it no problem.

Ranger Dave

SHAME ON YOU !
Such disregard for the rules is pretty much my attitude as well. 

[PegLeg45]

   
Question: Should Boy Scout Troop Leaders Be Allowed To Carry?

A: Yes.




**See that whole section of the US Constitution known as the Second Amendment.

[philw]

It is not a PC issue it is a  liability. The BSA has always had a shooting sports program in place to teach youth about firearms starting with Cub Scouts including Boy Scouts up to Ventures and Explorers.

Ranger Dave

Get this. Scouts SA ( South Australia )   At my club we have started training some of  there leaders as RO's for our club for them to train and supervise the kids on the range

They will be joining us to learn about shooting and all thing s fun with shooting



However I do think with all the things that like to eat you over there it did surprise me that they can not have one of the leaders at least have a firearm to protect them

Personally I think they would be more of a liability issue if they did not have one ad something happened


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[Pathfinder]

I was part of the Council staff in San Diego when the whole athiest and inclusion of female leaders lawsuits hit.  What a F-ing MESS.  Completely rewrote the entire Explorer program and made it impossible to plan anything. 

The BSA shooting program was fairly good, at least through when I was a Scout.  As a Scouter I was in Japan, so no shooting and couldn't say what San Diego's program was like. 
Now I am looking at the Girl Scout (no other Boys in the house) program, big bold THOU SHALT NOT....  even archery is frowned upon.

Try the American Heritage Girls program instead (http://www.ahgonline.org/)- very religiously based (Christian) and very pro-USA and American History. There are a number of Troops in SoCal. I would not go near the Girl Scouts, as they have been seriously perverted into good little feminazis.

As to the OP - yes, but if found out, the Troop will lose its charter from the local Council, or the leader will have to be tossed out at the very least.

[JoeG]

I think you all are over reacting a bit here. I started shooting again when my son started scouts 6 years ago. Since then I have become an NRA certified RSO and Shotgun instructor to support our troops activities. We have very high interest from the boys in guns and shooting and are doing a great job of teaching them safety and responsibility, even those whose parents are gun phobic. My son and I shoot action pistol and have gotten interested in ARs. Most place we take scouts are more controlled conditions than you would find out in a national forest, scout camps, designated trails, private property, public ranges, etc.  I doubt that  a wolf has much interest in a dozen or more smelly and noisy scouts. We have encountered a bear or two and the correct answer is to scare them off with a whistle not try to blast them with a CCW and annoy them into a fight.

The scouts are doing a great job of helping parents to raise boys with great values and experiences. They do not need to take on some stupid political battle to prove a point that is not part of their mission. They are absolutely not anti gun and they have to deal with the fact that they are a rich target for legal trolls. The recent NRA instructor training I was at was put on by BSA staff in their free time for BSA leaders and was FULL with dads spending 3 days getting the skills to safely teach other peoples kids about the joys of shooting. Your kicking the wrong dog here!

The primary weapon in life is the one between your ears not the one in the holster. If you are so sure that guns are required for scout leaders, then name 3 actual events that have involved scout troops needing to shoot their way out of a situation. i know of none, ever.

I do know that the injuries and deaths that BSA has experienced related to firearms are all associated with ceremonial cannons at scout camps and were caused by ignorant adults mis-loading them.

[PegLeg45]

No one is arguing what you say, Joe, and you make valid points....to a degree. The main point being argued (at least on my behalf) here is the right to CCW being 'controlled' by a non-governing entity.
The same fight and issue has been taken up over CCW in the workplace several times.

No one that I've seen has suggested "blasting away a problem with a CCW" anywhere here......simply that a CCW holder should have the right to carry, provided the law allows it.


And, just because there may be no documented accounts of BSA Troops being accosted by critters (two legged or four) doesn't mean the potential isn't there.....you do take extra toilet paper...don't you?.............. Just in case?   

JMHO, FWIW

[1911 Junkie]

Isn't there a Boy Scout motto that answers the question?

Just sayin.....

[Timothy]

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear encounters, the California Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, backpackers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears.

We advise outdoorsmen to wear noisy little bells on their clothing so that the bears are not startled unexpectedly by a human's presence.  We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear.

It is also a good idea to watch for fresh signs of bear activity.  Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear poop and grizzly bear poop. Black bear poop is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur.  Grizzly bear poop smells like pepper and has little bells in it.

 

I lived in Northern California for two years no where near real civilization.  I wouldn't set foot in the mountains without some kind of sidearm!  Of course, back then, we didn't have all of the silly phuqing laws on the books about carrying a sidearm either!

It's a free country protected by the Bill of Rights!  Do as you please if you've been deemed a proper citizen who's ability to carry a firearm has not been restricted!