Stop using the Army for your liberal social experiments!

[tombogan03884]

J, I have to ask you, have you ever REALLY thought about what made Marines in the Pacific wade through a 1/2 of water, often over their heads under heavy fire from machine guns and artillery ?
They were more afraid of their NCO's than they were of the Japanese.
Same was true of the "Blitzkrieg", same was true of the Japanese.
True the wars have actually been lost due to political meddling, but this is nothing but another face of the same coin.

[jnevis]

The same reason we have troopers walking into unkown villages in 20-120 deg heat down a stretch of road that had a dozen IEDs the day before that will probably have at least that many today.  For the guys next to them.

That being afraid of the NCOs is a bunch of crap.  Sure there was some that could breath fire and scare the rest of them but it's a level of respect, not fear.  It's amazing what you can get done with respect instead of screaming.  The best leaders aren't the loudest, they were fair.  Hell, even Patton was known to sit down and talk with troops one on one.  Yes, he could swear up a storm and was short tempered, but he was also smart enough not to if he didn't have to.

The Russians had to motivate at the end of a rifle, and we know how well that turned out.

[tombogan03884]

The same reason we have troopers walking into unkown villages in 20-120 deg heat down a stretch of road that had a dozen IEDs the day before that will probably have at least that many today.  For the guys next to them.

That being afraid of the NCOs is a bunch of crap.  Sure there was some that could breath fire and scare the rest of them but it's a level of respect, not fear.  It's amazing what you can get done with respect instead of screaming.  The best leaders aren't the loudest, they were fair.  Hell, even Patton was known to sit down and talk with troops one on one.  Yes, he could swear up a storm and was short tempered, but he was also smart enough not to if he didn't have to.

The Russians had to motivate at the end of a rifle, and we know how well that turned out.

They drove the Germans from the Crimea all the way back to Berlin.

[jnevis]

...and lost an entire generation in the process, no thanks

[bulldog75]

Oh I talked to my soldiers a lot but there are times that screaming and yelling are necessary. When I catch them screwing off or committing an illegal act (fraternization, dereliction of duty ect. ) I was pissed and these babies of the 1sg were untouchable. He would only punish the ones that he did not like. I still punished all of them the same regardless and I took the a$$ chewing’s for messing with his favorites. When I was a private or buck sergeant I never got to talk to the Commander or 1sg. I knew better because you platoon sergeant would know about it real soon and him and your squad leader would have your arse in a hurt locker quick time.  I had several of my specialist and squad leaders thank me for being hard but fair to everyone they appreciated it and respected me for it. The four that the 1sg babied they hate me and still bad mouth me to everyone. I would catch this 1sg in the smoke break area talking to these four dirtbags all the time. He never talked to any of my other soldiers at all. The four could walk in to his office and talk to him anytime they wanted to. My squad leaders were not allowed to talk to him or walk into his office without me being present or heads would roll. He fraternized with the four all the time. He played favorites and a lot of soldiers hate him for it and will never respect him at all. They have to respect the rank but not the man.

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