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MikeBjerum

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2012, 10:24:52 AM »
Floor!!!

Next step is to activate the plan you developed when you entered the facility:  Exit or cover options.  Now isn't the time to worry about them.  You thought about it, and now you do what options are left based on where the shooter is.  According to current accounts he was in the screen area, so the doors you entered through may be the best route. 

By the way, if you are able to flee through an exit the firearm should be holstered but accessible and light in hand.  If you are trapped inside firearm and light in hand and ready if needed.
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2012, 10:38:15 AM »
Much like the FL mob, this brings up a good opportunity to discuss stretegy in a scenario like this.

You're in a dark, packed theater when shots are fired.  There's screaming and chaos with people everywhere.  What do you do?



This is sad and makes me feel better about carrying the last few times I went to the movies.

Floor!!!

Next step is to activate the plan you developed when you entered the facility:  Exit or cover options.  Now isn't the time to worry about them.  You thought about it, and now you do what options are left based on where the shooter is.  According to current accounts he was in the screen area, so the doors you entered through may be the best route. 

By the way, if you are able to flee through an exit the firearm should be holstered but accessible and light in hand.  If you are trapped inside firearm and light in hand and ready if needed.

Hit the floor and stay there, under the seats if possible, the exits will be jammed and provide choke points for a shooter to concentrate on. If he approaches you and targets you, then attack him, throw your soda in his face, hit, kick, bite, talk about his mother, what ever it takes to protect you and yours.
This is a much different situation than the "flash mob". they were looters, focused on stealing stuff from the store and vandalism, getting out of the area is the best tactic, if you are seen moving away you are obviously not interfering with their actions, therefore you are of minimal interest to the mob.
A mass shooter has a different agenda, he is looking to wrack up numbers, his attention will be focused on "target rich" areas, such as exits, and movement that draws the eye will likely draw fire that could have otherwise been avoided.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2012, 10:45:06 AM »
Hit the floor and stay there, under the seats if possible, the exits will be jammed and provide choke points for a shooter to concentrate on. If he approaches you and targets you, then attack him, throw your soda in his face, hit, kick, bite, talk about his mother, what ever it takes to protect you and yours.

A mass shooter has a different agenda, he is looking to wrack up numbers, his attention will be focused on "target rich" areas, such as exits, and movement that draws the eye will likely draw fire that could have otherwise been avoided.

Not only that, but it was dark, he threw tear gas so you'll likely not be seeing properly, and he was wearing kevlar.  Too many bystanders running around, exits jammed, limited target size, and imparied senses.  Also, any return fire is guaranteed to make you a priority target.  

That's a worst case scenario any way you slice it.
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2012, 11:16:56 AM »
Much like the FL mob, this brings up a good opportunity to discuss stretegy in a scenario like this.

Just to clarify in case their was any question, I realize they are two completely different scenarios.  However, both provide us with a chance to plan and discuss responses to them.

Right now, it seems the theme is to get on the ground and stay out of sight as much as possible and be ready with flashlight and possibly gun.  I'm in agreement with this but pose another question.

If you're lying on the ground in a dark, packed theater with people in chaos, how do you avoid being trampled?

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2012, 11:57:39 AM »
Good point.  How do you avoid getting trampled?

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2012, 12:46:04 PM »
Good point.  How do you avoid getting trampled?

That was one of the things I had in mind when I suggested getting under the seats if possible.
In the recent Ontario shooting several of the injured had not been touched by bullets but were in fact injured by the crowds action .

Just to clarify in case their was any question, I realize they are two completely different scenarios.  However, both provide us with a chance to plan and discuss responses to them.

Right now, it seems the theme is to get on the ground and stay out of sight as much as possible and be ready with flashlight and possibly gun.  I'm in agreement with this but pose another question.

If you're lying on the ground in a dark, packed theater with people in chaos, how do you avoid being trampled?

I understood that but found it useful to illustrate the differences in my post.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2012, 12:49:05 PM »
Makes sense to me.   :)

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2012, 12:52:10 PM »
Good point.  How do you avoid getting trampled?

If you drop to the floor at your seat there are minimal people to contend with.  The only way to avoid getting trampled in a herd is to go with the flow, so you just do the best you can when you choose to not be a sheep.
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2012, 01:05:47 PM »
If you drop to the floor at your seat there are minimal people to contend with.  The only way to avoid getting trampled in a herd is to go with the flow, so you just do the best you can when you choose to not be a sheep.

And do whatever you have to to stay on your feet, because if you go down while in the herd you are f*cked , no one will help you up, they will instead stand on you to get one inch closer to the exit.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2012, 01:19:43 PM »
I shouted bullshit at the TV when he said.  They would a SS detail with them.

Duh?!

Yeah..and they would have been armed and the tragedy would have been cut short.

SS can't be everywhere but honest citizens almost can. 

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