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Tyler Durden

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2012, 03:43:54 AM »
some people think or have suggested he was planning on getting away.  Leaving a legally purchased AR behind with an intact serial number then doesn't make much sense.   ???

Not that i am expecting any of it to make any sense.???

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2012, 08:09:14 AM »
OK. borrowing a page from the opposition.  Though we don't know just yet what exactly makes this guy tick, reports from reputable sources are quoted as saying Holmes is a Black Bloc member and an Occupy member; of which Occupy received substantial support from Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic members of Congress.  In fact, according to these sources, Holmes was a California Democrat in the truest sense who supported Obama and other left-wing radical movements and ideas as learned growing up in San Diego.  Questioning of Congressional Democrats must occur to determine what kind of a connection between Holmes and Congressional Democrats may exists and how their support and possible personal support to Occupy made it possible for Holmes to obtain these weapons of mass destruction.

Next, the Cinemark chain should be held wholly responsible for the senseless slaughter that occurred because of a total lack of security.  Cinemark enjoyed a certain benefit from the total of the $165 million that was taken in or projected to be taken in for this movie thus far over the weekend.  Social concience and responsibility demands that Cinemark be held accountable for not providing a safe enviornoment for it's patrons.  And clearly, if Holmes did enter by breaking through an exit door as has been reported by various sources then Cinemark must be entirely held responsible for substandard design which should immediately be upgraded across the country.  In short, to be a good social citizen, Cinemark must immediately provide security for its patrons, upgrade it's possibly flimsy facilities if the exit door entry by breaking down really did happen and finally separate itself from any vestiage of corporate greed by giving back all profits of this and other movie to both the families of the victims of this tragedy and to organizations and individuals who might have prevented this horrible occurence had they been allowed.

Now guys...muse on that a bit.  In the Luby's ruling the Supreme Court has made companies responsible for security when they especially if the prevent someone from defending themself... I think there have been 4 or 5 similar rulings.  I know here that Cinemark has those cutesy circles and bars through handgun decals that stops all bad guys.  But seriously, we need to not let the other side use this and one way is to demand corporate social responsibility.  I don't know if the liberal lawyers are sharpening their knives yet for one of their own, but if I was a victim I'd be suing Cinemark for allowing this to happen and movie company for allowing their movie to be shown in substandard and unsafe facilities.  

We just can't lay here and say that we are good guys and our way would have prevented the magnitude of this tragedy.  We need to give the opposition, staying truthful of course, the same dose they try to feed us when something horrible like this happens.  So, the company that did not protect it's patrons needs to be hounded across the country and at their Plano office with pickets demanding they turn from their corporate greed and pay for "cheap and affordable" security...demanding of course from our Congressional Reps and Senators that a federal bill tied to interstate trade insures at least one paid cop on duty in each individual movie they show....a work program of sorts.  Let us see if the cute little circle and bar with a handgun in it will stand here and take that action towards other companies....we need to use this as a watershed to see Cinemark bankrupted over this and strike common sense into other irresponsible corporations that the cute decals they post come with financial responsibility.

OK...I'm posting without reviewing.. dangerous thing.  Maybe some of our manufacturers can fund some people to stir social responsiblity up in this or a like manner.
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2012, 08:12:13 AM »
Does anyone have access to the photos of the guns referred to.  The only ones I have seen on TV are the ones put together from file photos, and not the actual guns.
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2012, 08:40:42 AM »
I haven't seen any pics yet.

I am tuning into the ar15.com thread.  I figure any breaking news or leads would show up there first.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2012, 08:45:22 AM »
Does anyone have access to the photos of the guns referred to.  The only ones I have seen on TV are the ones put together from file photos, and not the actual guns.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/foghorn/overview-of-the-guns-used-in-the-colorado-batman-shooting/

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2012, 09:15:49 AM »
I was asking for the actual guns and the way they were set up.  These are no different than the generic catalog photos they have been using since Saturday morning on the media
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2012, 09:36:25 AM »
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20124.msg254086#msg254086

Half way down page 3 of this thread Tyler posted a photo that, in the top left corner shows an AR (presumably the one used) laying on the ground by the Exit door.

Rastus, the reports I've heard were that he initially bought a ticket and entered like every one else, he then went out through the exit and propped it open so he could gear up and come back in.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2012, 09:44:33 AM »
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20124.msg254086#msg254086

Half way down page 3 of this thread Tyler posted a photo that, in the top left corner shows an AR (presumably the one used) laying on the ground by the Exit door.

Rastus, the reports I've heard were that he initially bought a ticket and entered like every one else, he then went out through the exit and propped it open so he could gear up and come back in.

Thanks.  It will be interesting to see the entire collection.  That AR has a standard - 40 or maybe 60 round magazine it appears.  They were stating specifically that he had purchased a drum magazine.

That is what I have heard whenever they have gone down a timeline of events.  I am waiting to hear why the staff was not aware the door was open.  Those exit doors are commonly used to empty theaters during busy times so as to not run everyone back through the lobby and waiting movie goers waiting for the next show.  However, they are wired to keep people from letting non-paying friends in.
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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2012, 09:55:05 AM »
To me it looks as if the mag in the rifle on the ground is a standard 30 rounder.
Taking that, with the reports that a "drum mag" was found at the scene, and that he suffered a jam at some point, and the extended time he reportedly spent shooting, makes me think he started out with something like a "Beta mag" or the old Ramline drum, it jammed, and at some point he cleared the jam, replacing the "drum" with a standard mag.
As with most of the news reports this is pure speculation on my part , but unlike the media, I will not attempt to pass it off as fact.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2012, 10:24:28 AM »
Well, if a drum mag was found in there, the feds can just strip off the remaining rounds left in it to determine at what point it jammed.

I haven't heard one way or the other if he actually shot his pistol.

In the one pic, it almost appears that there is a yellow evidence marker hooked into the AR's ejection port.... Like the bolt is locked back or it is jammed open.

The guy standing by the door with the orange rod is working in conjunction with another guy who has a fancy transit called a total station.  He shoots a laser to a prism mounted on top of the rod.  All the distance and elevation data goes into a computer.

On a much different note, check out this thread:

http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?p=818002&posted=1#post818002

There is a poster there with the screename "Homerboy".  I don't think he gets it.

 

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