Mass shooting at Colorado theater

[tombogan03884]

The price of the drugs would fall making it possible to maintain a habit without resorting to crime....at least for those with enough self control left to be ale to sweep floors....

You would have a stroke if you knew who around you was using "recreational" drugs, and other narcotics.
Your Dr ?
Some one on his staff ?
Your lawyer or accountant ?
The guy who works on your car ? (that one is nearly a certainty same with any welders you may know99% either use drugs, booze, or both )
Your neighbor hood cop ?
Your kids or wife ?
Just like with booze, responsible users are undetectable.

Dumb is dumb.

That is why keeping drugs illegal is stupid. These same people would flush their lives down the drain regardless, maybe by eating until they are to fat to move, or tanning until the are burnt to a cancerous crisp, or becoming alcoholics.
Stupidity always finds a way.

Posters on here all claim to worship the Constitution .
Please show me on cite from either the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or the Federalist that gives the Govt power over what a person puts in their body, whether it's Pot and Cocaine, or a Big Mac and 20 ounce soda.

[Timothy]

You would have a stroke if you knew who around you was using "recreational" drugs, and other narcotics.
Your Dr ?
Some one on his staff ?
Your lawyer or accountant ?
The guy who works on your car ? (that one is nearly a certainty )
Your neighbor hood cop ?
Your kids or wife ?
Just like with booze, responsible users are undetectable.

I'll second these statements.  Even though employers have pre-employment testing and random testing while employed, people are still using and quite frankly, I don't care what they do on their own time!

[tombogan03884]

I'll second these statements.  Even though employers have pre-employment testing and random testing while employed, people are still using and quite frankly, I don't care what they do on their own time!

Drug testing is a joke.
One of my previous employers decided to start doing that.
The ones who passed were mostly the ones they were trying to weed out, it was their best workers, and the sons of both owners who failed.
Random testing is another one, most companies will only retest if you are involved in an accident of some sort. because it is expensive and often counter productive.
Another Company I worked for decided to have a surprise test, the entire office staff failed, including the facility manager.
These were people who had grown the company from one small shop into a multi facility Corporation making several million $ per month.
Those results sort of went away and the issue was never raised again.

[Solus]

You would have a stroke if you knew who around you was using "recreational" drugs, and other narcotics.
Your Dr ?
Some one on his staff ?
Your lawyer or accountant ?
The guy who works on your car ? (that one is nearly a certainty same with any welders you may know99% either use drugs, booze, or both )
Your neighbor hood cop ?
Your kids or wife ?
Just like with booze, responsible users are undetectable.

That is why keeping drugs illegal is stupid. These same people would flush their lives down the drain regardless, maybe by eating until they are to fat to move, or tanning until the are burnt to a cancerous crisp, or becoming alcoholics.
Stupidity always finds a way.

Posters on here all claim to worship the Constitution .
Please show me on cite from either the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or the Federalist that gives the Govt power over what a person puts in their body, whether it's Pot and Cocaine, or a Big Mac and 20 ounce soda.

I am aware of that.   That is why I made the distinction.  Those folks are not a threat to the peace except by what the War On Drugs does to their demand.  

I was speaking to those who do not/can not act that responsibly.


P.S.   I used the term recreational drugs rather than just drugs because there are some drugs or substances that should not be legal for citizens to posses. ...like Anthrax virus/toxin or what ever it is...or other drugs/chemicals of that nature.

[tombogan03884]

I am aware of that.   That is why I made the distinction.  Those folks are not a threat to the peace except by what the War On Drugs does to their demand. 

I was speaking to those who do not/can not act that responsibly.


P.S.   I used the term recreational drugs rather than just drugs because there are some drugs or substances that should not be legal for citizens to posses. ...like Anthrax virus/toxin or what ever it is...or other drugs/chemicals of that nature.

That is the same argument used by gun grabbers.
Just like with guns it is a matter of personal conduct, not an inanimate object.

[Sponsor]

[Solus]

That is the same argument used by gun grabbers.
Just like with guns it is a matter of personal conduct, not an inanimate object.

Tom, maybe you misunderstand.   I was saying that, even with the worst cases of drug addiction,  making them legal, cheaper and safer is a good plan....and added that if you are concerned about the lives of the addicts, make contributions to get them help if they wish for it...but it is their or perhaps their families choice to seek it.

Even though beer is legal now, there are those who will still steal it.  The same would be with drugs...no bigger problem.  I was just pointing out that all drug related crime would not vanish.  Under age drug use would be another issue, just the same as under age alcohol use. 

[jnevis]

You just gotta know that some other people in the blogosphere had to have seen that OWS pic anf then tried to vet its authenticity.  But I still can't find one source that goes "A'yup, that's a photo shop!"

Weird!

It's just completely dropped off the radar.

I searched for "James Holmes Occupy" last night and there are a few "he is" and just as many "He isn't" sites/posts.  There was one, I can't find it now, that showed the pic of the guy getting carried off with the name Ari something with his mug shot next to it and Holmes' pic and they were different people.

[tombogan03884]

I have not found any denials either, but I have found no other reference at all.

Nothing I would stake my reputation on.
I'd want to know more about Metabunk first (the bottom link )


http://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/07/james-e-holmes-ties-to-occupy-san-diego

http://themadjewess.com/2012/07/22/photo-of-james-holmes-ows-san-diego-fact-holmes-registered-dem-with-occupy-black-bloc-obama-supporter/

http://metabunk.org/threads/666-Debunked-Photo-of-James-E-Holmes-at-Occupy-San-Diego

[billt]

Legalizing drugs is a lot like gun control. On paper it makes for a good argument. Everywhere it's been applied it's turned out to be a disaster. Los Angeles is a good example. Their whole "Medical Marijuana" experiment was a disaster with crime rates rising upwards of 500% around the "clinics" that dispense. Dopers are going to steal for money to buy it, regardless if the seller is a neighborhood pusher, or a "clinic".

You can't compare this country to foreign countries like Holland either. Where are the street gangs in Holland? Where are the poor blacks? Where are the run down hispanic neighborhoods in Amsterdam? There aren't any. And besides, they never really "legalized" it. They just look the other way. Most of the dopers there are on vacation from somewhere else. It a big attraction for "recreational" dopers who go there to get high, much like young guys go to Thailand to get laid on Pattaya's Walking Street.

[tombogan03884]

Legalizing drugs is a lot like gun control. On paper it makes for a good argument. Everywhere it's been applied it's turned out to be a disaster. Los Angeles is a good example. Their whole "Medical Marijuana" experiment was a disaster with crime rates rising upwards of 500% around the "clinics" that dispense. Dopers are going to steal for money to buy it, regardless if the seller is a neighborhood pusher, or a "clinic".

You can't compare this country to foreign countries like Holland either. Where are the street gangs in Holland? Where are the poor blacks? Where are the run down hispanic neighborhoods in Amsterdam? There aren't any. And besides, they never really "legalized" it. They just look the other way. Most of the dopers there are on vacation from somewhere else. It a big attraction for "recreational" dopers who go there to get high, much like young guys go to Thailand to get laid on Pattaya's Walking Street.

You shoot down your own argument right there.
You CAN compare the US to Holland if you are prepared to accept the unPC idea that the problems are not due to the items, but to the people.
You are talking about the exact same people who stick up perfectly legal liquor stores.
The 1920's should have gotten the idea through peoples heads, prohibition is not only a waste of time and money, if anything it is counter productive.