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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2013, 12:34:48 PM »
Amazing!!

In one of the early ones, the tail end of the bullet did seem to start to fall after the fireworks were over...but it ended to soon to be sure.


Something else that surprised me.  In the set where a small round ball hit what appeared to be a pistol bullet, there appeared to be very little deflection of the pistol bullet.  Seeing the impact I expected more...
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2013, 05:03:12 PM »
In some of the early shots, you could see a rounded plug flying out the back (@ the :55 mark) ....... Don't know if it's the mushroomed bullet or a plug of steel........looked like the plugs out of an Ironworker.
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2013, 05:13:35 PM »
Quote from: PegLeg45 on February 23, 2013, 05:03:12 PM
In some of the early shots, you could a rounded plug flying out the back (@ the :55 mark) ....... Don't know if it's the mushroomed bullet or a plug of steel........looked like the plugs out of an Ironworker.

I saw that ..but didn't look again.  My thought was it looked like the base of the bullet going in...but that was just an impression.
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2013, 10:34:04 AM »
OK I got sloppy with my word choice. The round produces enough concentrated force to cause the steel to FLOW out of the way. The video I have seen in slow mo shows the metal exceeding its plasticity point and flowing and spattering not just being punched through. The round does not survive the interaction either to carry on into the next barrier.

It does not change the stupidity of think there is no difference between FMJ and bullets designed to expand on contact.
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #74 on: February 27, 2013, 01:51:21 PM »
Quote from: Ichiban on February 23, 2013, 12:25:52 PM
It would be nice to know the technical background on each shot.
This page has info and videos together: http://www.kurzzeit.com/eng/videos.htm
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #75 on: February 28, 2013, 01:02:21 PM »
Quote from: JoeG on February 27, 2013, 10:34:04 AM

It does not change the stupidity of think there is no difference between FMJ and bullets designed to expand on contact.


I'll buy that for a dollar.....  ;D  ;D  ;D
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #76 on: February 28, 2013, 02:44:54 PM »
Holy Crap! This thread is still going? And we're still (mostly) on topic? I gotta sit down.......
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #77 on: February 28, 2013, 04:15:57 PM »
Quote from: JC5123 on February 28, 2013, 02:44:54 PM
Holy Crap! This thread is still going? And we're still (mostly) on topic? I gotta sit down.......

Yep....even after 8 pages....  ;D  ;D  ;D


We may debate on what plays to run ....but we seem to get to the end-zone nonetheless.  ;)
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #78 on: February 28, 2013, 05:30:19 PM »
Quote from: PegLeg45 on February 28, 2013, 04:15:57 PM
Yep....even after 8 pages....  ;D  ;D  ;D


We may debate on what plays to run ....but we seem to get to the end-zone nonetheless.  ;)

And when we arrive, we spike the ball and..........

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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2013, 08:31:38 AM »
Well I know this is an old thread but I just want to ad my 2 cents and am amazed no one has said this.

I think round choice FMJ to Hollowpoint is really a personal choice. And also along with that I have to believe your environment is just as important.

The military uses FMJ in both 9mm and 5.56 with effect. But also they do not care about over penetration.  If you look at SF guys doing CQB hostage resue type stuff they usually pack HP just for the case of less penetration. You don't want it to go thru Bad guy and thru wall and hit good citzen. Also obviously caliber size. When shootings 9mm you hope it expands to close to .45. So if you are shooting .45acp is expansion necessary.

If you are hiking do you want to shoot JHP with the possibility of having to shoot thru foliage. Just me I would rather have a FMJ to slip thru it. We are talking about some extreme case there most instances would happen in the clear in the trail. But one thing I think about. I definitely would not want to shoot FMJ 124gr 9mm in an apartment. So this to me is subjective. And really even down to ,380 FJM is going to work. You still get hydro static shock and plenty of damage. I do not feel at all under gunned by FMJ ammo. It was employed around the world and used by most of the fiercest killers in out history.

JHP ammo in the realm of how we think about it is relatively new. People used softer non jacketed ammo (lead). The Colt Army Navy I believe shot a round .44 lead ball. It had no problem putting people down.
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