The New DFL Bargaining Tool

[MikeBjerum]

Some folks say it was Jefferson, some say Reagan, some say others.

I'm saying Gerry...a good Nebraska boy who made his way in the great state of Michigan, so there!

 

Pres. Ford is the one it is attributed to, regardless of what Facebook posters will tell you, however the mistaken Thomas Jefferson credits go back to writings by an unkown author using this phrase during the forming of our nation.

[Magoo541]

So go underground.
Work under the table for cash or barter and don't give the money junkies anything to feed their habit.
Get your neighbors to cooperate .
Don't do business with, or even acknowledge, those who want to kiss gov ass.
Those like FQ who have higher priorities than the return of the Republic should also be ostracized under this plan.

And that is where I think the economy is going, people conducting business without a business for barter, trade or cash.  The conspiracy nut, Jesse Ventura, inside me thinks this is what will prompt mandatory implants for business transactions, aka "the Mark of the Beast".

[Jrlobo]

So, I found out from the fine print that I have been paying $30 per year for a "flush tax". That just can't be constitutional (pun intended). When we pointed that out to our state legislature, they did the logical thing. They proposed to raise the flush tax to $60 next year and to $90 for the following year(s). Now folks, you may say that is all logical to maintain city water and sewer systems. But I say BS. I am on a private well and septic system that I bought, maintain and use myself. The state counters that it is for environmental purposes, to sustain the watershed and Chesapeake Bay. The power to tax is the power to kill, somebody important said that once. Doesn't even pay to be constipated.

[fightingquaker13]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I agree with Reagan that taxes should be visible and painful, and ideally aimed at those who use a service. So gas taxes and car registration for roads, Pittman Robertson taxes for WMA's and a "light bill" for street lights are ok with me. Your property tax is for infra-structure like schools and cops. Maybe they should fold the street lights into that, but it means raising property taxes. Not only is that a political third rail, it also effects home resale values at a time when home prices are stagnant at best. There's more going on here than you've posted. My Uncle was the city engineer here in West Palm. He always had to do this sort of dance as the prices for everything from gas to street lights to sewer pipes went up, and it was hard to find a politically acceptable way to pay for it. It wasn't like there was some government spending spreee, its just that if gas goes up $0.50 a gallon, or the price of pipe, or electricty goes up, someone has to pay.

[tombogan03884]

And that is where I think the economy is going, people conducting business without a business for barter, trade or cash.  The conspiracy nut, Jesse Ventura, inside me thinks this is what will prompt mandatory implants for business transactions, aka "the Mark of the Beast".

It's not conspiracy theory material .
That's exactly what happened during the carter administration .
Oil embargoes, double digit inflation and unemployment with typical democrat  high taxes driving investors to sit on their funds lead to large numbers of people going out side the system .
Barter and discounts for cash became common, as well as people dropping out of the system .
If all transactions were cash , living in the country either with out electricity or generating their own, wood heat, and using  no public services , you became ,in effect, invisible .

So, I found out from the fine print that I have been paying $30 per year for a "flush tax". That just can't be constitutional (pun intended). When we pointed that out to our state legislature, they did the logical thing. They proposed to raise the flush tax to $60 next year and to $90 for the following year(s). Now folks, you may say that is all logical to maintain city water and sewer systems. But I say BS. I am on a private well and septic system that I bought, maintain and use myself. The state counters that it is for environmental purposes, to sustain the watershed and Chesapeake Bay. The power to tax is the power to kill, somebody important said that once. Doesn't even pay to be constipated.

You really don't understand what you are talking about.
First off levying taxes is one of the stipulated powers of congress, how ever that doesn't matter in your case since it is the city or state that is charging the tax and their powers of taxation come under the State Constitution, or city charter . In general they can tax you for breathing if they choose to.
The people who passed the tax would go away at the next election, but I bet the tax would not.
If you don't like the flush tax, don't pay it. They can't very well shut you off.

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[blackwolfe]

Quaker, this is a property tax disguised as a user fee.  It is based on property frontage.  In my neighborhood I receive essentially no illumination from the street lights. I am pretty much midway between two lights, about 300 feet from either one.  When the trees are full of leaves, I can't even see the one to the south.

I read not long ago of a community that had a street light fee to offset the cost of operation and transition to LED street lights.   The nature of the LED lights was that was no peripheral light from them.  On of the elected officials that pushed for the fee and LED transition basically said tough crap when citizens complained about the loss of illumination as the "city had no responsibility to illuminate their property."

[blackwolfe]

This goes back a few years, but it shows it is the new way of negotiating employed by the DFL:

M58
DFL  would that be the Democratic Farmer Laborer party of Minnesota?

[MikeBjerum]

In this discussion I am referring to the entire party, and it is brought up because yesterday they said that all must accept the tax increase and then we will talk about what else will or will not happen.  Minnesota mirrors what happens in Washington D.C..  We have watched our Gov. Dayton and his supporters pull the exact thing that everyone else is seeing on the national level.  A year and a half ago during a budget issue Dayton not only shut the government down, but he made it as painful as possible to punish his opposition, and it bet us at the polls this past month.  Pres. BHO is threatening the same thing.  There is no reason for him to attack Social Security, Medicare, or the Military over this, but he will, he will blame the GOP, and the sheeple will believe him (listen to Pelosi's quote from this week concerning throwing grandma under the bus to avoid touching "even one hair on the head of the rich.").