Dorner: What Lessons are there?

[tombogan03884]

Remove the race and cop factor, and Dorner was just another murdering crackpot who did himself in when cornered. Newspaper articles are full of them. Especially recently.

If that were true why was it so important to kill him that they shot a 71 year old Mexican woman with out warning for driving a pick up similar to his ?
Why did they go to the trouble of using a Waco style "tank" to intentionally burn him out while preventing the FD from responding ?
Something smells.

[billt]

I'm not reading any "conspiracy theories" into this. Cops hate cop killers. They really hate cop killers that try to drum up public support for their cause. Most of the time they'll stop at nothing to get them. If that means outright kill them by whatever means, so be it. This was a bad cop gone off the rails. He was stupid or he could have easily done more damage. The LAPD has terrible public relations, no doubt. And the longer this went on, the worse it could have played out for them. Now they look like heroes who stopped a madman. At least that's the way the media will play it, and most people will accept it.

They used "Burners", (Pyrotechnic tear gas canisters), on purpose. They knew it would cause a fire. They knew he would most likely put a bullet in his head rather than burn to death. That turned out to be a better public relations outcome, than if he rushed them, and they shot him 60 times. This guy set himself up to the point the cops could do pretty much anything they wanted to get him. Once he killed the Sheriff's deputy and wounded yet another, all bets were off.

[tombogan03884]

Bill, you still don't get it.
You're parroting what the media told you.
The same media that reported Jesse Jackson's comment about "assault weapons" shooting down planes and trains .
They actually reported that without laughing and you still take their word at face value ?
Been into the wine lately ?
What's the other side of the story ?
We'll never know because they did a better job than with the Branch Davidians.

[JC5123]

We'll never know because they did a better job than with the Branch Davidians.

Learning curve?

[billt]

Bill, you still don't get it.
You're parroting what the media told you.
The same media that reported Jesse Jackson's comment about "assault weapons" shooting down planes and trains .
They actually reported that without laughing and you still take their word at face value ?
Been into the wine lately ?
What's the other side of the story ?
We'll never know because they did a better job than with the Branch Davidians.

It's got nothing to do with the media. The guy is dead, and the cops killed him, or else put the odds in their favor by such a wide margin, he turned the gun on himself. Or.....maybe a cops bullet got him. The point is he's dead. What else is there to go on about except of what he made of all of it?

[Sponsor]

[jnevis]

If that were true why was it so important to kill him that they shot a 71 year old Mexican woman with out warning for driving a pick up similar to his ?
Why did they go to the trouble of using a Waco style "tank" to intentionally burn him out while preventing the FD from responding ?
Something smells.

OK, next time someone barricades themselves inside a residence, with an unknown number of weapons and ammo, who has already shot at anyone getting close, and the house catches fire, no matter why, we're sending YOU to put the fire out.  No FF worth his air tank would go anywhere near a structure were there is a better than average chance they'll get shot, or ammo will start cooking off.

[tombogan03884]

OK, next time someone barricades themselves inside a residence, with an unknown number of weapons and ammo, who has already shot at anyone getting close, and the house catches fire, no matter why, we're sending YOU to put the fire out.  No FF worth his air tank would go anywhere near a structure were there is a better than average chance they'll get shot, or ammo will start cooking off.

You're being a dumb ass.
He had no hostage they needed to rescue like in Alabama where they waited a week .
There was no hurry, he wasn't going anywhere since the place was surrounded .
Why was it so important to go to all the expense of hauling in a tank and getting soaked for the cost of the house, and the court costs of trying to get out of paying for the house, when they could have just waited him out as has been done thousands of times before all over the world ?

[Ichiban]

You're being a dumb ass.
He had no hostage they needed to rescue like in Alabama where they waited a week .
There was no hurry, he wasn't going anywhere since the place was surrounded .
Why was it so important to go to all the expense of hauling in a tank and getting soaked for the cost of the house, and the court costs of trying to get out of paying for the house, when they could have just waited him out as has been done thousands of times before all over the world ?

There is no question they wanted him dead and they wanted him dead now.
But here are a couple of scenarios to consider in your decision making about waiting him out.
1.)  He has a .50 cal and can kill any officer that exposes him/herself within eyesight of the cabin.  How many do you want to lose securing that perimeter?
2.)  Now that his location is public knowledge his fanboys start showing up in droves.  Crowd control is a lot harder in the woods than in the city.  Someone, or a lot of someones, is/are going to get killed.

[tombogan03884]

How can he have a .50 cal ?
They have been illegal in Ca for years.
And since he burned his truck he sure wasn't toting it with him.

[jaybet]

It's George Bush's fault.