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DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« on: February 26, 2013, 05:29:14 PM »
I've been monitoring this story for 48 hours. Alex Jones @ infowars, broke it first, than another site, than another site, than one that is very credible.

http://www.naturalnews.com/039177_gun_range_targets_pregnant_women_Homeland_Security.html

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http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/vb/showthread.php?p=346019





"The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.
I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served."

http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi

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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 05:40:44 PM »
On the plus side, if current policies continue, these tagets may become representative of actual threats as everbody is going to get pissed off. It is not the best time to be a fed or even a local cop.

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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2013, 06:01:53 PM »
This was Rob Pincus's Response on FB today:

"Everybody's upset about cops training on photo-realistic targets that depict "non-typical" threats, like kids and women. Really?? This has been going on for a long time and is an important part of training. This video PROVES it (skip to 2:15)"

Here is the video he's referring to:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-11-2004/last-resort

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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2013, 06:45:33 PM »
 No surprise here, feds have been murdering mothers and kids since the 90's .
You can't ask the Branch Davidians, but you can ask Randy Weaver .
I wonder if Lon Horiuchi practiced on a target like one of these.

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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2013, 06:47:03 PM »
No surprise here, feds have been murdering mothers and kids since the 90's .
You can't ask the Branch Davidians, but you can ask Randy Weaver .
I wonder if Lon Horiuchi practiced on a target like one of these.


No, the target Lon practiced on was facing the other way . . . .  8)
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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2013, 06:53:54 PM »
No surprise here, feds have been murdering mothers and kids since the 90's .
You can't ask the Branch Davidians, but you can ask Randy Weaver .
I wonder if Lon Horiuchi practiced on a target like one of these.


You nailed it brother.  Damn shame.
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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2013, 09:24:11 PM »
When are they going make targets for the threats they don't see?   ;D
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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 05:34:05 PM »
And I guess jack booted militarized SWAT team entry team targets would be just as in "bad taste"? ???

How about gov't ATF agents kicking in your door? Probably considered too extreme but the little boy target?

Just fine.

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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 05:54:16 PM »
I was going to leave this one alone but, all I will say is go down to certain parts of LA, DC, Chicago, Oakland, and NYC, or a few small towns in the Mid-West with bad Meth problems and all of those targets are very real possibilities.  Ms13 and other gangs have members as young as 9 and as old as 60 with murder raps among the other laundry list of violent charges.
When seconds mean the difference between life and death, the police will be minutes away.

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Re: DHS "No Hesitation Targets"
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 06:52:30 PM »
I can understand why they need to train for that.

But I wonder if that innocent man who was at the end of the hallway with his AR on safe and never fired and the several police opened up on him, might have been on some No Hesitate target?

All I can say is that we might be faced with the same situation that fellow was...perhaps we need a uniformed police officer holding a gun for  our set of Don't Hesitate targets?

Yeah, that stinks and the police would think it stinks, but all of those targets are only Don't Hesitate in situations where they don't think they are defending them selves from illegal attack.  Same with the police officer.
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