DHS "No Hesitation Targets"

[tombogan03884]

JNevis misses an important point, none of those "Targets" is in a "meth lab", (kitchen), in fact they are every where BUT the kitchen.
They are also,unlike "gang members", white.
I guess this tells us who DHS thinks they will be shooting at.
They better practice, with 6 million AR's in private hands there is a darn good chance that Mommy and Gramps will shoot back.

[jnevis]

Except all of them pictured are in around a home or park, where most labs are found and the younger girls are Hispanic and pasty white.  Watch some of these shows like Weed Country or sililar ones on Meth, heroin, or crack.  A lot of the producers they interview are middle aged whites.  There was one on the other night.  The producers and the guy that owned the dispensary were all 40+ white college educated males and one was a biochemist.  It isn't just younger Black or Hispanic gang bangers anymore, they are just the most violent.

[tombogan03884]

I know of 4 Meth labs that have been busted in this area.
2 within 500 yards of here.
 No violence at all .
The idea that these are for "meth heads" is BS.
DHS is practicing to kill you and your family.

[twyacht]

To jnevis"s point, rationalizing these LEO dept's behavior and tactics can be considered justified, it leaves the premise that the armed citizen is somehow considered a "no hesitation target".

Think about that.

A pregnant woman in her own kitchen defending herself is a "no hesitation target",......Really???

We've already got the video of the senior citizen, in the post Katrina aftermath, being thrown down and disarmed. What part of the slippery slope that we are on start to take effect?

Perhaps it's the "chocalate city" Fmr. Ray Nagan talked about......

[tombogan03884]

We already have video's of cops telling citizens they, should, or could, shoot them simply for exercising their rights .
Why not just give them a license, if it's OK to murder a 16 year old kid with a Hellfire missile then killing a 10 year old kid, or a young mother in front of her children should be no big deal.
What comes next ?

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[Rastus]

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Shut up and get in the train car you ignorant [pick a racist dehumanizing rant of your own choice].

It's for the children and to protect the Gestapo Officer who is just doing his duty.  Don't you understand "protect and serve" is not for subjects, it's for those wielding power for the elites that run the benevolent state?  Move along, get on the train with your dangerous outmoded beliefs.

No, the cattle car is for you...you idiot..... you know the nice cars are for Dear Leader's fascists minions...DON'T MAKE ME TELL YOU AGAIN ASSHOLE.

 

[tombogan03884]

 As the Irish would say, "Dear leader" can go do the other thing .

God save the good work.

[Pathfinder]

Legal precedent allows the American citizen to shoot back when confronted with "official" force that the citizen deems unreasonable. Decided by the Supreme Court, 1900, in JOHN BAD ELK v. U S, 177 U.S. 529 (1900).

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=177&invol=529

Sorry, jnevis, just cuz you wear a badge does not mean you're right. Shooting a pregnant woman in her kitchen - and training to do that too - means there has been huge failure in American culture. Like the badged thugs who brutalized the 70-something lady in NO for having the temerity of having a little nickel-plated .32 - and showing it to the officers when they asked to see it. Those LEOs got off scot-free, and a lot of us learned not to trust anyone with a badge at that point. Ever.

[Magoo541]

And I guess jack booted militarized SWAT team entry team targets would be just as in "bad taste"?

How about gov't ATF agents kicking in your door? Probably considered too extreme but the little boy target?

Just fine.

Like I have said before,....this country is out of phase......

Politicians?  Say Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried, Barney'e Franks, Chris Dodd, Jim McDurmit...

[Solus]

This thread has bought to a head some thing I have been thinking about for a while....due to similar threads.

It started with our discussions about how, as a citizen, I am responsible for every round I send "downrange" in a self defense situation.  While that is true, it should be just as true for police officers, but we can point to rafts of reports where it is no where close to being a responsibility for police.

Next comes the citizens responsibility to be sure of their target and to be sure, and able to prove it at trial, that there is a threat.  I agree with that also, but not only should a police officer have that responsibility, it should go beyond what is required of a citizen in a self defense situation.  I have the greatest respect for police officers who need to risk their lives in the performance of their duties to keep the bad guys at bay, but that IS their responsibility.  They simply cannot open fire to make themselves safer.

For example, if I, or any of the folks in that set of No Hesitate targets, are in their home and an unknown armed intruder is confronted, opening fire is totally acceptable.  However, if a police officer is in a home, for no matter what reason, opening fire at the sight of an armed occupant is not 100% acceptable.  

Yeah, I know if you are going to have your War On Drugs, it is just the manly thing to go in on a No Knock raid and clear out the nest of evil doers and, to minimize the risks to Heroic Defenders of our Bodily Temples, shoot anything that moves.

Well, all I can say is change your damn tactics if you want to continue your Holy War.  Surround the place and make sure you have the RIGHT place before any direct hostile action is taken.  You are not always right in the location you are raiding, and innocents have been killed because of your negligence, no matter how unintentional, so just get over the possibility of evidence getting flushed and deal with it.  If YOU want the war, YOU are responsible, and it should be criminally, for "collateral damage".
And for God's sake, don't whine that you need to shoot the innocents to protect yourself from them protecting themselves.

Enough for now.

Turns out it wasn't quite enough.

The difference between Peace Officers and Jack Booted Thugs is that Peace Officers believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty.