Another Potential 2016 Candidate

[santahog]

By the way, Tom..
All that rage blowing out your nose at me is guilt from the conviction that comes under the hand of a Holy God. If he wanted to kill you, you'd be dead by now.. Why don't you just take a breath, look up and find out what in the hell he wants from you?? You won't be any worse off than you are right now! Ask Him!! If it ain't real, you're sitting there talking to yourself, like you are right now anyway..
Have you ever wondered why "this" is the one thing that blows your rivets out to the point that you can't control your emotions and go off on Search and Destroy missions against folks that believe the same thing you do??
What are you gonna lose by asking??
You don't really "get to me", you know?? The only thing that drives me nuts about you is that you, as an otherwise intelligent person, go off on this bit and you don't realize that you're not the guy swinging the cat by the tail.. YOU'RE THE CAT!! 
Every time you come after a (changed, actual) Christian, you're like you're swinging a sword at a tree in zero gravity.. We're not gonna move, and you're the one that gets spun off into space with blood running down your face!..
God ain't afraid of you, or your "superior mind"!! Speak up and ASK HIM WHAT THE HELL HE WANTS FROM YOU!!
Or, you can keep doing what you're doing, losing elections and wondering why..

[Rastus]

The good suffer with the bad.  God raises up leaders and gives the people what they really want...if they want someone who is secular and hates God He will let that befall them.  The mass of people reject God and His precepts so we get to enjoy a leader who rejects God and His precepts.  So you want someone tolerant of killing unborn children...voila', but don't expect that guy to have the other principles you are looking for.  These precious God-given rights we have came because of the faith, mind and will of men who loved God...not ones who compromised with truth.

It's a pretty simple Biblical concept.  Conservatives will never get the leader they think they want by rejecting God.  You say these rights are common to man and not given by the government...you are right...but don't expect to enjoy them if you reject the One who gave them to you.  

[fatbaldguy]

Santahog, you and the other 1/3 of the 'base', cannot get to where you want to be from where you are.  Romney was nothing more than a Democrat masquerading as a Republican.  Yet his positions were closer (even before the waffling) to where you want to be, than the imposter/destroyer/usurper/dictator lite, will ever be.  Tom wants it all when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, so do I, so does Solus.  That argument parallels this one, Tom isn't willing to work on incremental gains there, just as you aren't willing to work on incremental gains on your core issue(s).

.gov has no business funding abortion, contraception, section 8 housing, education beyond the local level, limiting or prohibiting any sort of firearm ownership,  and hundreds if not thousands of other issues.

To paraphrase Neil Armstrong, one small step (at a time, will equal) one giant leap.  To not work toward a goal, is to hand victory to the opponent.

[Rastus]

<snip>  Romney was nothing more than a Democrat masquerading as a Republican.  <snip>

Exactly true.  

The Republican party leaderships smells of the slow death stench of compromise.  The Republican "leadership" has a plan...that is to "look like, feel like, taste like" the other guy so that people are not offended by "conservative" ideals so that people will love them and vote for them.  The leadership is rotten and must be replaced if even a pseudo-conservative (someone better that Romney) is ever elected.  You cannot stand for one thing and your reflection image another.

To win an election the Republican party needed to promote a leader with ideals and morals but they did not.  

Compared to Reagan, the elder Bush was less a leader and when compared to Bill Clinton appeared less a leader when they ran against one another.  The foundation of the evaluation is the double cross on, "Read my lips no new taxes." where H Bush broke his word and compromised.  Obviously in this situation, agree with the ideology or not, the democrats provided the leadership that brought the new taxes and Bush went along for the ride...a follower not a leader on the one big thing that "brought the house down" and led to his election.  After that many could not vote for Clinton but would not turn out for Bush.  Bush failed the slightest redemption by playing nice with Clinton instead of treating him boldly like the cockroach Clinton turned out to be.

So...pick the battles and limit the scope.  I am good with that but we cannot throw our own under the bus and expect a turnout.

Today we see on TV, hear from the radio, read from the newspapers and converse with our own families events and actions where truth is a lie and a lie is the truth.  We are so morally bankrupt as a nation....so fundamentally lost in our collective ability to discern lying politician stuff-their-own-pockets with power and money charlatan speech vs. truth that we cannot regain nor can we retain our famous pursuit of life and liberty.  We may be destined to continue the downward spiral as subjects owned by the state.

There is no hope for our nation without leadership and mercy from above.  If we want compromise...compromise it will be and we won't get to pick what get's compromised in the end.

[fatbaldguy]

And because Romney did not receive the votes from 'the base', we ended up with a creature that wishes to destroy our country.  That means 'the base' is saying, 'If we can't have it our way, we'll allow and cause the whole nation to be destroyed, along with our freedom to worship any way we choose, to keep and bear arms, to free speech, etc. ad nauseam.

Be people of faith, please.  You also must think rationally.

Because there is no real conservative leadership on the right, I am becoming involved with the Party on the local level.  It is easy to become a precinct committeeman.  IIRC, about half of all those positions are empty.  Conservative grass roots members who elect leadership in the party is how to get it done.

Until then, we must choose the lesser of two evils, lest the greater destroy us before we can effect change.

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[tombogan03884]

And because Romney did not receive the votes from 'the base', we ended up with a creature that wishes to destroy our country.  That means 'the base' is saying, 'If we can't have it our way, we'll allow and cause the whole nation to be destroyed, along with our freedom to worship any way we choose, to keep and bear arms, to free speech, etc. ad nauseam.

Be people of faith, please.  You also must think rationally.

Because there is no real conservative leadership on the right, I am becoming involved with the Party on the local level.  It is easy to become a precinct committeeman.  IIRC, about half of all those positions are empty.  Conservative grass roots members who elect leadership in the party is how to get it done.

Until then, we must choose the lesser of two evils, lest the greater destroy us before we can effect change.

If they can't have their theocracy they would prefer Obama over the SECULAR Republic the Founders intended.
Santahog simply underlines this.

[Rastus]

I take it, correct me if I am wrong, that you two guys are under the assumption that we "people of faith" did not get out and vote for the lesser of two evils.  I would think nothing is further from the truth.  Everyone I know across several states who is "of faith" got out and pulled the lever early in the morning for Romney. 

I think my assumption that people "of faith" voted for Romney is true.  So what is the beef here?  You don't want some things we hold as bedrock moral principals so you want us to go away?  My free speech is not as good as your free speech?  A leader can set the tone of the conversation and handle the misconstructions, lies and over-the-top statements of the left and stay the path....Romney could not do that because he was not a leader yet we voted for his lesser of two evils.     

Once again some overlook the faith of our founders who were sick of a state religion and who used Deuteronomy as a guide for fair and equitable government.  The foundations are distinctly Christian and at the same time distinctly permissive to inalienable rights.  We don't want, at least very very few want, some cobbled theocratic idea of government some think we want; we want the nation back as it was.  Just because someone may be a God hater they don't have to throw rocks at us and berate us and ridicule us.  Does anyone here recognize that the repertoire of ridiculing Christians into submission on this board is very Alinski and is what we hear from the progressive liberal socialists communists?  If someone want to ridicule and berate Christians they should jump fully to the dark side, become a democrat, and shake their fist at God or they can tolerate us.  If someone hates us when we say what our beliefs are and what we know is true all that hate is going to eat them up.

Until then, we must choose the lesser of two evils, lest the greater destroy us before we can effect change.

If they can't have their theocracy they would prefer Obama over the SECULAR Republic the Founders intended.
Santahog simply underlines this.

[fatbaldguy]

I take it, correct me if I am wrong, that you two guys are under the assumption that we "people of faith" did not get out and vote for the lesser of two evils.  I would think nothing is further from the truth.  Everyone I know across several states who is "of faith" got out and pulled the lever early in the morning for Romney. 

I think my assumption that people "of faith" voted for Romney is true.  So what is the beef here?  You don't want some things we hold as bedrock moral principals so you want us to go away?  My free speech is not as good as your free speech?  A leader can set the tone of the conversation and handle the misconstructions, lies and over-the-top statements of the left and stay the path....Romney could not do that because he was not a leader yet we voted for his lesser of two evils.     

Once again some overlook the faith of our founders who were sick of a state religion and who used Deuteronomy as a guide for fair and equitable government.  The foundations are distinctly Christian and at the same time distinctly permissive to inalienable rights.  We don't want, at least very very few want, some cobbled theocratic idea of government some think we want; we want the nation back as it was.  Just because someone may be a God hater they don't have to throw rocks at us and berate us and ridicule us.  Does anyone here recognize that the repertoire of ridiculing Christians into submission on this board is very Alinski and is what we hear from the progressive liberal socialists communists?  If someone want to ridicule and berate Christians they should jump fully to the dark side, become a democrat, and shake their fist at God or they can tolerate us.  If someone hates us when we say what our beliefs are and what we know is true all that hate is going to eat them up.

I do NOT want you (people of faith) to go away.  I am NOT a God hater.  I am NOT throwing rocks at anyone.  I do NOT intend to ridicule anyone, and IF I have, my apologies.  Since only offense can be taken, I will proffer no further opinions.

[tombogan03884]

I'm saying that religion is aimed at governing personal conduct .
Religion is counter productive in the governance of a nation .
We have been "turning the other cheek with North Kora for 60 years, how's that worked out ?
Under the Constitution which you  "people of Faith" CLAIM to support the Govt has no right to say that abortion is legal, it also has no right to say it isn't.
To demand that the country hold to "christian values" makes you no better than the Taliban, and to hide behind the personal faith of the founders is an insult to their goals.

[Rastus]

You are just wrong.  Quoting "turning the other cheek" out of context shows something, I'm not sure what.

Insult to their goals?  There is no basis for that. 

I'm saying that religion is aimed at governing personal conduct .
Religion is counter productive in the governance of a nation .
We have been "turning the other cheek with North Kora for 60 years, how's that worked out ?
Under the Constitution which you  "people of Faith" CLAIM to support the Govt has no right to say that abortion is legal, it also has no right to say it isn't.
To demand that the country hold to "christian values" makes you no better than the Taliban, and to hide behind the personal faith of the founders is an insult to their goals.