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[JdePietro]

I guess it depends upon your definition of bigotry.  Here is one definition.

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

I see no situation where that is good.

I am not saying the Boy Scouts setting their standards and sticking to them is bad, just that you can't defend it by saying bigotry is good.

In essence that is all I was trying to convey, my original question was just asking the OP why he thought discrimination made the scouts better. I have been a member of Scouts For Equality since they were formed, but I have always defended the right of scouts to choose who they let in. I take issue with the policy that bans not so much the policy that allows them to ban.

In 1912 Only a year after they received their charter from congress the BSA faced their first challenge. Can you guess what that was???

Infinite diversity allows for infinite possibilities and they should allow anyone who wishes a chance to prove their moral character. I hope some day we see discrimination against the LBG&T community as distastefully as old Jim Crow laws.  

[JC5123]

 I hope some day we see discrimination against the LBG&T community as distastefully as old Jim Crow laws.  

It will never happen. The reason: You cannot have complete tolerance of deviant sexuality when it goes against religion. Personally I really don't care what you do in your bedroom, but I also find it to be an unnatural act that goes against the design of our creator.

Basically, you can call for tolerance all you want. But you are asking people to be tolerant of behavior that 1. goes against every religion on the planet, and 2. does nothing to further the evolution of the species.

[fightingquaker13]

It will never happen. The reason: You cannot have complete tolerance of deviant sexuality when it goes against religion. Personally I really don't care what you do in your bedroom, but I also find it to be an unnatural act that goes against the design of our creator.

Basically, you can call for tolerance all you want. But you are asking people to be tolerant of behavior that 1. goes against every religion on the planet, and 2. does nothing to further the evolution of the species.

You could say the same thing about cell phones and cable TV, but that doesn't seem to matter. I really don't think orientation is a choice. However, there is that issue of whether the government can, or should intervene. Should the scouts allow gay scout masters, yes. Should the government decide, no. This should be handled on a troop by troop basis. Let the parents decide who they're comfortable with.

[Jrlobo]

Boy Scout Law

A Scout is:

    Trustworthy,
    Loyal,
    Helpful,
    Friendly,
    Courteous,
    Kind,
    Obedient,
    Cheerful,
    Thrifty,
    Brave,
    Clean,
    and Reverent.

Everything looks good until you get to the end (no pun intended).  So what does "reverent" mean?

[Timothy]

respectful...

[Sponsor]

[Jrlobo]

According to usscout.org:

A Scout is Reverent.
    A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

Perhaps this definition applies to scouting more than the professorial definition from Webster's dictionary?

[Timothy]

According to usscout.org:

A Scout is Reverent.
    A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

Perhaps this definition applies to scouting more than the professorial definition from Webster's dictionary?

Agreed!

My godson just made Eagle Scout, it was a big deal and he worked his ass of to make that happen!  You couldn't find a finer young man then he!  I know I'm not impartial but he's really a great young man.....who also has an uncle he loves who's homosexual!  Doubt he gives a hoot what anyone thinks either!

[fightingquaker13]

According to usscout.org:

A Scout is Reverent.
    A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

Perhaps this definition applies to scouting more than the professorial definition from Webster's dictionary?

I'm an Episcopalian. We ordain gays as do a number of other denominations.

[Ranger Dave]

The last I heard National BSA will be making a decision in May during the national meeting. In the mean time they have committees representing each faith to help make the decision .

[JdePietro]

It will never happen. The reason: You cannot have complete tolerance of deviant sexuality when it goes against religion. Personally I really don't care what you do in your bedroom, but I also find it to be an unnatural act that goes against the design of our creator.

Basically, you can call for tolerance all you want. But you are asking people to be tolerant of behavior that 1. goes against every religion on the planet, and 2. does nothing to further the evolution of the species.

Goes against "your interpretation" of "Your creator".

That same creator that says love all, if they are not against you then they are for you, bacon and shrimp is an abomination and so on.

It does not go against every religion on the planet, UCC's and the like hold not ill towards them, nor do Budist or the... Wait for it... Pagans!!! Ahhh....

I guess all of the art, poety, theater and entertainment have never served humanity in any good sense.

Also, Second time I think in recent history Tom and I agree. One of us is getting soft...