Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[Pathfinder]

Check here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350248,00.html

If it is true, or if this is true:

"Ron Paul has no chance of winning the Republican presidential nomination this year, but he continues to head toward the party’s National Convention with an ardent group of supporters and a second-phase strategy aimed at raising the profile of his libertarian-leaning issues."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/12/ron-paul-strategy-heads-to-convention-showdown/

We have got to use these events and efforts by lame duck candidates and whatever comes up to help Mr. McCain remember the he needs us more than we need him. Hitlery will try anything and everything, but she will so polarize this country as Pres that we can contain her somewhat. It will take years to undo what she can accomplish. B Hussein Obambi (or b-ho as MB calls him) will be far worse and it would take decades to undo the damage - if we even can.

So, MB, and anyone else who can use this, please use these events to remind Mr. McCain that there is a large part of this country's voting public who still value traditional American values, and he should not even think of assuming he has our votes because of the opponents at this time.

[Rastus]

I guess you are saying we should support Congressman Barr (who I admire) in an effort to get McCain's attention?  If I'm reading that right....I just don't know if that will do it...the man, McCain, has sons at risk in the military, so I know his heart is in the right place on many issues...but he is just wrongheaded on others (our border, 2nd Ammendment, and election reform) and I'm afraid resistant to logic for failure to self-acknowledge wrong thinking or, worse yet, to accomplish a personal goal.  I wonder that the RINO Republicans will ever take us seriously, unless we ditch their candidate and allow the unthinkable.  Why are the RINO's in power...from where draws their strengh?

I think both sides, Dem & RINO Rep, are leading down the same path (am I wrong?).  It's just one gets us there faster than the other.  I think I'd rather clean up this mess on my watch as opposed to leaving if for my children.

[tombogan03884]

I guess you are saying we should support Congressman Barr (who I admire) in an effort to get McCain's attention?  If I'm reading that right....I just don't know if that will do it...the man, McCain, has sons at risk in the military, so I know his heart is in the right place on many issues...but he is just wrongheaded on others (our border, 2nd Ammendment, and election reform) and I'm afraid resistant to logic for failure to self-acknowledge wrong thinking or, worse yet, to accomplish a personal goal.  I wonder that the RINO Republicans will ever take us seriously, unless we ditch their candidate and allow the unthinkable.  Why are the RINO's in power...from where draws their strengh?

I think both sides, Dem & RINO Rep, are leading down the same path (am I wrong?).  It's just one gets us there faster than the other.  I think I'd rather clean up this mess on my watch as opposed to leaving if for my children.

Sounds like you are putting ALL your chips on the table Rastus,
A "GOOD guy" or one of the" BAD guys" no "not AS bad guy"
I'm not Really aware of Bob Barr, other than He's pro 2A and a "conservitive"He has to be better than McC.
Best case, He wins big, with Rep, Senate and Congress, We Win
next, He wins Pres but with Hostile Congress and Senate, Draw
         Dems win Pres. with Republican Congress and senate, again a draw     
   Worst case Dems win BIG

[Pathfinder]

I guess you are saying we should support Congressman Barr (who I admire) in an effort to get McCain's attention?  If I'm reading that right....

Not quite, Rastus. All you say of McCain is true, although you downplay the damage he has personally done to this country through McCain-Feingold and others actions. His willingness to work with others, especially Dimocrats of the Kennedy and Schumer ilk, his so-called "maverick" streak, creates awful compromises for us.

What I am saying is that 3rd party candidates usually don't stand even a snowball's chance in Hell of winning, and McCain knows this, although a 3rd party candidate like Barr or Paul will hurt him directly, not Hitlery or Obambi, probably enough to cost him the election. This is what we have to use to help McCain understand where there is a large vote-power block that will support him in return for his public, on the record assurances that we will not lose more 2A rights to gummint law or bureaucratic regulations.

Dare we even hope that he would use his leadership to actually advance gun ownership and 2A rights? I for one ain't holding my breath, but it would be nice if he did.

[Hazcat]

I think both sides, Dem & RINO Rep, are leading down the same path (am I wrong?).  It's just one gets us there faster than the other.  I think I'd rather clean up this mess on my watch as opposed to leaving if for my children.

You're right, Rastus and I will NOT vote for McCain.

[Sponsor]

[Rastus]

I did downplay the harm McCain did to keep some people on board here from leaving this thread before they picked up some education....but I did say it was wrongheaded and he's thick as a brick and probably only interested in himself and that's as nice as I can be to him.  Also..b-ho get's on a ticket as prez and I suspect that McCain will be elected even if he loses 5-10% of the vote (and that would be good for the RINO's to see).

All my chips on the table...yeah, I guess so.  This is not the country I grew up in to the extent it was when I was a child.  It's becoming more European and more socialist in nature and I hate that.  I hate that we are becoming a nation of victims by the inexonerable march of politics to describe a situation that creates victim loyalty to derive a vote that becomes power in the hands of a few.  When I was a child no one thought a mother would kill their own unborn child just to advance their career...or have thought someone with a Muslim background had a snowball's chance in hell of being elected to dogcatcher, much less the President of the United State of America.  

They can say diversity is our strength but I say that is a lie.  Stength comes from unity, not diversity.  The Dems have played the race card and supported freaks and perverts (queers, feminazi's, Nancy Pelosi's former election staff supporter just convicted of child porn, etc.) to do whatever it takes to get noticed and to get elected and now the RINO's are selling us out in hopes of getting a Hispanic vote they won't be able to hold on to unless they open up the government purses even more.  These practices will, undoubtably, lead to the demise of the U.S.A.  Selfish greed is our undoing.

In either case, the outlook is grim.  The end is the same, it's the timing that's different if any of the three top candidates make it to the top.  Maybe McCain will be overthrown at the convention, maybe we will close our borders, maybe we turn back the invading hordes, maybe we will restore the family in this nation......maybe...but not by us by God's hand only.  Name a mixed race civiliation that survived without Christianity being it's guiding principle?  This great experiment is running out of gas because we've abandoned our Source.....

What's the last thing all great societies have embraced before becoming a footnote in history....homsexuality....a great sin that transcends to an abomination.  I wish out VP had the balls to be a man and, though he may love his daughter, break fellowship with her....but no, he's right there in support for her.  Even our #2 can't stand up to it.

[Ron J]

What 3rd parties represent is idealism.  This election year, the presumptive nominees are both sitting left of center for their respective parties.  From this there will be more interest in 3rd parties than ever before. 

Unfortunately this is where “idealism” and “realism” have a violent collision.   

Third party candidates have never been able to capture the popular votes or more importantly, the electoral votes needed.  Best 3rd party effort since Teddy Roosevelt was that of Ross Perot in 1992.  He had almost 19% of the popular vote but zero electoral votes.  Zero.  What this means for this election year is that as good intentioned as a 3rd party vote may be, it will only serve to help get Obama elected as President of the United States. 

You may like folks like Ron Paul and Bob Barr and you may not like McCain.  But the reality of this is simple enough for me to understand.  For this presidential election, voting for any 3rd party candidate boils down to as being “idealistic” and will result in having Obama elected president …and possibly someone like Michael Bloomberg as our vice president.  Don’t know about you, but when I say “President Barak Hussein Obama” I get a little throw up in the back of my throat. 

This election may be the most dramatic example of electing the worse of two evils.  But if you think that McCain represents an “awful compromise” … what will the reality of President Obama be?  Please think of what a 3rd party vote really means. 

[gemurdock]

What 3rd parties represent is idealism.  This election year, the presumptive nominees are both sitting left of center for their respective parties.  From this there will be more interest in 3rd parties than ever before. 

Unfortunately this is where “idealism” and “realism” have a violent collision.   

This election may be the most dramatic example of electing the worse of two evils.  But if you think that McCain represents an “awful compromise” … what will the reality of President Obama be?  Please think of what a 3rd party vote really means. 

If McCain is elected I believe it will result in the following:

1) The Republican party will believe that going left works, and that they should do it more and more often

2) a) Based on McCain-Feingold (denial of free speech, particularly for pro-life and pro-2nd amendment), McCain-Kennedy (illegal alien amnesty), and McCain-Lieberman (anti-capitalism government rationing of energy), there is little that a Democrat controlled Congress would pass that McCain would find objectionable enough to veto
   b) Anything that a Democrat Congress passed and worked the Democrats would take credit for, anything that failed or was unpopular the Democrats would blame on "the Republicans", e.g. No Child Left Behind (which was also terrible legislation)

4) If you think that McCain would actually nominate a judge that would overturn any of his signature legislation, you need stronger coffee

3) Obama and/or Clinton come back in 2012, and you still get to enjoy the pain, after 4 years of McCain

If Obama is elected president I believe it will result in the following:

1) The most corrupt (who is Tony Rezko?) and incompetent (has anyone seriously looked at his position on any economic or foreign policy) presidency since at least Carter (dust off the misery index).

2) $8 gasoline (which has doubled in the 2 years since the Democrats took over Congress), double digit inflation, interest rates, and unemployment

3) Disasterous foriegn policy with both Muslim nations and China/Korea.  Picture the U.S. as Great Britain (at best).

In short, the worst of both the Carter and Clinton administrations, on steroids.

But I will NOT vote for McCain.  I will vote Libertarian or whatever, because if the nation is going to have to suffer another Cater to get some semblance of another Ronald Reagan, I say do it NOW.  Generation X may not have been taught history in school, but they will learn it the hard way, and it might as well be sooner than later.

And if it is bad enough, and the reaction strong enough, impeachment might actually happen.  (Strange to talk about impeaching a candidate before he is even elected to office, but if the Dems can do it, I can dream too). 

[Hazcat]

If McCain is elected I believe it will result in the following:

1) The Republican party will believe that going left works, and that they should do it more and more often

2) a) Based on McCain-Feingold (denial of free speech, particularly for pro-life and pro-2nd amendment), McCain-Kennedy (illegal alien amnesty), and McCain-Lieberman (anti-capitalism government rationing of energy), there is little that a Democrat controlled Congress would pass that McCain would find objectionable enough to veto
   b) Anything that a Democrat Congress passed and worked the Democrats would take credit for, anything that failed or was unpopular the Democrats would blame on "the Republicans", e.g. No Child Left Behind (which was also terrible legislation)

4) If you think that McCain would actually nominate a judge that would overturn any of his signature legislation, you need stronger coffee

3) Obama and/or Clinton come back in 2012, and you still get to enjoy the pain, after 4 years of McCain

If Obama is elected president I believe it will result in the following:

1) The most corrupt (who is Tony Rezko?) and incompetent (has anyone seriously looked at his position on any economic or foreign policy) presidency since at least Carter (dust off the misery index).

2) $8 gasoline (which has doubled in the 2 years since the Democrats took over Congress), double digit inflation, interest rates, and unemployment

3) Disasterous foriegn policy with both Muslim nations and China/Korea.  Picture the U.S. as Great Britain (at best).

In short, the worst of both the Carter and Clinton administrations, on steroids.

But I will NOT vote for McCain.  I will vote Libertarian or whatever, because if the nation is going to have to suffer another Cater to get some semblance of another Ronald Reagan, I say do it NOW.  Generation X may not have been taught history in school, but they will learn it the hard way, and it might as well be sooner than later.

And if it is bad enough, and the reaction strong enough, impeachment might actually happen.  (Strange to talk about impeaching a candidate before he is even elected to office, but if the Dems can do it, I can dream too). 

Well stated!

[JohnJacobH]

What I am saying is that 3rd party candidates usually don't stand even a snowball's chance in Hell of winning, and McCain knows this,

For what it is worth Abraham Lincoln was a third party candidate in the 1860 election. The party he led was called the Republican Party.

Best regards,