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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #100 on: June 01, 2008, 08:35:08 AM »
And yes, it really says a lot for ya'll that I haven't gotten kicked off the board.  Other boards would have treated me like MB get's treated!  Thank you for letting me speak out!  :)

Not to change the subject....but the boys and I did get to shoot MG's at USSA yesterday.  $6 for 20 rounds in an AK, $10 for 50 rounds of 9MM in an Uzi or Sten gun...$12 for 20 rounds of .223 in and HK or M-16...CHEAP! ! ! !  I ended up spending over $150 yesterday...but I do have 3 boys and how can you put a price on a huge grin? ;D

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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #101 on: June 01, 2008, 08:36:39 AM »
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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #102 on: June 01, 2008, 11:35:45 AM »
Dammit- Dammit-Dammit!
"LET" was a BAD word ..and I didn't realize I said it actually.  >:(
Mistake on words on my part.  :P

If any one of you knew me on a personal level..you would know that "let" just isn't in my frame of vocabulary.
(Just ask Marshal :-X )
(I agree with you all on that part) I will allow no one to let me have anything.  But.......................
Politics is a game. A SERIOUS game.
The outcome of this  sometimes can have a life or death ending. So you better be in it to play hard.
 
 My simple point is:
I kinda like living right now. You know... all those silly little things that make your short stay on this earth nice. I'm not talking about a roof over my head or food or water or any type of material factors...although those are nice.
 I'm talking about seeing my kids everyday and getting hugs and kisses from my grandkids and helping them and being here for them as long as I can... hoping like hell that they won't have to fight people like the Obamas ands the Clintons just to hang on to their American rights.

Bottom line once again is:
 We keep "them" out of office any way we can! This mama bear will do anything I have to do to try to protect my family. To fight what we have coming at us in the coming years is bad enough .. but to have a Muslim fascist dictator setting in the White House with a house full of like minded Democrats nodding their bobble heads to everything he throws at them is something I don't want
to have add to that list of fights.

Vote for McCain? Hell yes. He might be far from the perfect best.(understatement)... but to me, he is the only chance we have right now in keeping us out of the boiling pot..
Sending a message by voting off the ballet is fine..IF you can afford the consequences.. and my dear friends..
There WILL BE HUGE consequences.

And I ask you all this.. (and REALLY REALLY THINK about it before you answer.) Not a hell yes I would die answer.. but really think about it for real.

If ...in the middle of the night, you and your wife, children are all sleeping sounding .. or you are all together watching TV....
Just having family time..everyone calm and together. Mind is in relax mode. And search and seizure not being the most prevailant thing on your mind.
Someone knocks on the door. Or just comes in forcibly.( depends on many things) 
 There standing before you shoving their way into your home is about 6-8 fully armed , fully geared military type men...pointing loaded BIG guns at not only you.. but your children and wife.
They say that they are there to confiscate your firearms.
You of course tell them "no you are not taking my guns" and in so many words, order them to leave.
They don't leave.. and if you were alone, you might fight them.. or try .. but I'm sure that  they usually make sure that they outnumber you.
** Realistically.... do you put your daughters, sons and wife in harms way at that time by fighting to the "death" and having the rest of your family possibly get hurt, or worse?.........Plus they now no longer have you..as a dad..in their life anymore.......
 and when the gestapo is done with their destruction.. they take the guns ..so ......................  :-\

Or do you fight like hell ...NOW.... to keep the bastards that want to try to enforce this law out of office anyway you can?
The Rabbit Hole is there I know..and we're slipping ..I realize that too.
But I'll be damned if I will go ahead and vote 3rd party so all of Obama's votes will stand as good and just give up and turn loose of everything that is keeping me out of the hole, making the slide in faster than shit coming out of a hot horn!

I'm a woman ( not physically as strong as a man)...and I'm smart enough to know that without my pack with me..
 ( being my husband, ex-husband,& sons ) I don't stand a china mans chance in hell of holding off or being able to fight against 6 fully armed men.

I think about this scenario quite a lot.

What would I do? I can tell you I wouldn't just hand them over.. but am I willing to try to draw/shoot on them ..knowing that they will shoot me point blank...leaving my family motherless and grandmotherless?

but I do have 3 boys and how can you put a price on a huge grin? ;D
My point Rastus.
 I have 2 sons ... who say that they will fight to the death if that happens ...but if it happens (without "our pack" all together) ..........will they really ??  When those babies are standing there in the same room...watching with terrified eyes...will they really??  Those are  young children who desperately need their daddy as they grow up. And I don't know many dads in this forum that will willingly leave their youngins to fight for themselves.

 I honestly can say that I do not know what I will do!  It's sadness I know..
What comes to mind....
  Survival? ....Definitely.
Cowerdlyness? Maybe......................................... :-\
  But I hope I never have to find out.. Cause I just flat don't know what I would do!

Food for thought....

 Rastus.... if you got to shoot MG's at USSA yesterday..and want to continue to have things of this nature available to you... Ya better make sure that the Demos don't get to dance at the Inauguration Ball.

Make your vote count for the conservative who is electable on the ballot.. After he is in office... THEN we (along with the NRA) will put the pressure down and continue fighting to make sure we keep our rights as they are now. ..We'll at least, then, have a prayer of winning "the game"... or "contest"..or "war". (whatever you want to call it)

One more thing........
I don't know why any of you would think you would be kicked off this forum.
In my opinion, we have the best wide array (sometimes disarray  ::) ;D ) of viewpoints and ideas and discussions that I have ever been fortunate enough to encounter.
In a sense, we have become "family". And family ..no matter what.. always respects each other.
We may not agree on the path that needs to be taken.. but we all have the same destination in mind.


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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #103 on: June 01, 2008, 01:01:10 PM »
Marshal'ette, I got flamed and eventualy thrown off "The highroad" for a post that many here agreed with  ;D
As to the main portion of your post, I'm alone in the world, if "they" come crashing through the door and windows I will go for my .45 (If I'm awake, I sleep like a log so if I'm asleep I'm sunk ;D )
Others, like you, and Rastus have other situations and others to consider, I don't, so it makes my choice easier

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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #104 on: June 01, 2008, 02:02:30 PM »
Marshal'ette ... 

What the hell????  "... kisses from you grandkids..."  You have grandkids?  Grandkids?!?  They must allow you all to start really young in Kansas. Grandkids?!?

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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #105 on: June 01, 2008, 03:14:06 PM »
Damned proud to have such well written and committed brothers and sisters.
You outside people best leave us alone! 
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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #106 on: June 01, 2008, 05:18:26 PM »
For those to say that you can’t vote for McCain because you “need to send a message”, your “moral integrity” is at risk, that you “have to take a stand”, don’t want to be a “lemming” or that “we need another Carter to get another Reagan”; this is for you. 

You really think your vote for anyone but McCain is going to send a message?  Only message you will send is that the VERY WORST of not just two evils, but the VERY WORST OF ALL EVILS in Barack Hussein Obama will be elected as your President.  THINK ABOUT THAT.  You really want to do this to your country?  If you do, keep on reading. 

You really think that Obama getting elected will serve as a “lesson” for “moral integrity” and for future conservative values?  That some grand messiah for conservative values will magically appear if Obama is elected?  Guess what?  No new leader will appear that hasn’t already.  What makes this “object lesson” clinically insane is, why in the hell would you want another Carter to get another Reagan anyway?  This is like shooting yourself in the family jewels to demonstrate poor gun safety.   (Fill in the blank) stupid. 

Think that voting for a 3rd or whatever party is that you’re “taking a stand”?  Think again. NO ONE WILL GIVE A DAMN HOW YOU VOTE IF OBAMA WINS.  Get it?  NO ONE.  Your “stand” means nothing other than Obama winning.  Oh … but it’s your “pride”.  How’s your pride going to make you feel when Obama is elected?  You think ANYONE will pat you on the back for taking a stand on your vote?  No.  Likely be pissed off you threw a vote away.  One more time.  How will your pride feel when Obama wins?  I will tell you.  IT WILL HURT TO SIT DOWN.   What we know is that Obama promises to be FAR worse than Clinton or Carter could have ever been in their wildest wet dreams.  Again, one simple mathematical question here people …. Not voting for McCain will allow Obama to win.  You still want this? 

If you do because you think Obama will start a “revolution” among the conservatives, guess again. Not going to happen.  We may get really PISSED OFF when he pushes micro-stamping, banning concealed carry and taxing the living crap out of ammunition sales BUT THERE WILL BE NO REVOLUTION.  Sorry that you can’t justify the 10,000 rounds you bought at Midway to your wife but there will be no revolution BECAUSE NO ONE HAS THE CAPABILITY OR THE STONES TO START ONE.  Hell, most people won’t even write a letter or attend a political event much less start a fight.  All we will get is pure ass misery for four to eight years with Barack Hussein Obama as President.  Period.   

So voting for McCain and defeating the worst of all evils is a “defeatist attitude”?  Being a “lemming”? I don’t get it.  A “defeatist” would be one that throws his vote for someone like Barr or Baldwin or says “none of the above” and stays home.  Vote for a candidate that you know in your heart of hearts is going to lose AND the guy who wins is the WORST OF ALL EVILS.  Now that’s being a defeatist.  As to be a “lemming”, guess what?  When you take a path towards the destruction that Obama has planned you fit the definition to perfection.   

Still not convinced?  OK.  Then look at the other party’s candidates. 

Bob Barr is a “surrender monkey” that has recently joined a party that stands for less conservative values than McCain’s GOP.  On national defense, The Libertarian Party is too weak even compared to Clinton standards. Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party?  Please. While their platform reads like a wet dream to ultra right Christian conservatives, they are too far right to have ANY chance. To this, Mike Huckabee has a better chance of winning in November than Chuck Baldwin. 

The worst of all evils is Barack Hussein Obama.  Take your stand.  Still want to draw your line in the sand?  If so, be sure to stick your head in it.  Or look at the other option.  Defeat Barack Obama by voting for John McCain.  Then, get off your ass and make your voice heard for conservative values. 

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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #107 on: June 01, 2008, 05:36:46 PM »
Ron J-

Right on target!
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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #108 on: June 01, 2008, 05:43:16 PM »
I have still not been scared into voting for McCain.

Concerning stones...I understand not everyone has been put in the position on Railroad Avenue in Hammond, LA, in 1978 to tell some guy with a gun that, "If you are man enough to pull the trigger then I'm man enough to die."  Knowing ones self is a good thing.

I tend to agree there will be no revolution...didn't happen in the UK or Austrailia why would it happen in what is becoming Europe 2.0?  Using stones to help people who arent' willing to help themselves....is not going to happen.  They will be used to support my own family.  Being stupid enough to to paint an 'X' on myself by being beligerent at when it's over....not going to happen either.  I did not get a Masters in Engineering by being stupid.  It's the sheep people with "rights" who will mouth off at the wrong time and get the gun butt in the teeth and jack boot on the throat...history to be repeated.  

McCain still has to convince me to vote for McCain.
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Re: Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian
« Reply #109 on: June 01, 2008, 06:10:31 PM »
Rastus:
McCain still has to convince me to vote for McCain.



But hasn't Obama convinced you that we can't under any circumstance let him be president?

 

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