Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[Rastus]

......  REGARDLESS of who he picks, it is a better option for our country than Obama/Edwards (Biden, Webb, etc.). 

Sorry, Bloomberg bumps me off the boat.  I've heard B-HO speak and he sounds good with simple words and simple concepts in relation to a teleprompter.  Answering anything complex or off-the-cuff and he is a complete idiot---which tells me he has handlers who will direct him in a presidency.  This means there is some type of concensus behind him and the implications that go along with a concensus.

Bloomberg, on the other hand, is a dangerous, talented man (though insanely misguided towards socialism and personal disarmament) all by himself and is dedicated to our disarmament.  Bloomberg being a heartbeat away from the presidency is too close for me. 

[brosometal]

I don't have as much of a problem with people like Barr and Paul, who want to leave Iraq because of things like Washingtons "Farewell address" Where he talked about "Avoiding entangling foreign alliances" they have some bases in the thinking of the founding fathers and I respect that reasoning. However I disagree with it, as did Thomas Jefferson after repeated attempts to negotiate with the Barbary Pirates (Muslims from North Africa, What is now Tunisia and Lybia) When repeated negotiations led only to further demands for tribute and bribes to the muslim negotiators, Jefferson became fed up and instead built 6 Frigates which instituted Americas first "Regime change" and was the birth of our Navy. We kicked their butts and they did not trouble us again until Khaddafi came along 150 years later.
I save my scorn for those "liberals" (Socialists and idiots) who either support Americas enemies or think fighting, even in self defense is bad.

This too, is where I have a problem with the Libertarian Party.  They are out to lunch on foreign policy.  I often wonder if it is just a way of "branding" to distinguish them from the Rep. Party.  (They don't need it.  They stick out enough.)  It usually boils down pretty simply: walk softly and carry a big stick/gun etc.  You end terrorism by stacking bodies like cord wood, that simple. 

On a side note, it is funny you mentioned Khaddafi.  His historical foot note will be how he proved that the F-14 was a MIG killer.

[Ron J]

This too, is where I have a problem with the Libertarian Party.  They are out to lunch on foreign policy.  I often wonder if it is just a way of "branding" to distinguish them from the Rep. Party.  (They don't need it.  They stick out enough.)  It usually boils down pretty simply: walk softly and carry a big stick/gun etc.  You end terrorism by stacking bodies like cord wood, that simple. 

On a side note, it is funny you mentioned Khaddafi.  His historical foot note will be how he proved that the F-14 was a MIG killer.

Amen. 

The incident with the F-14's and the MiGs was interesting.  The pilots that took the Libyan MiGs down had just graduated 1 and 2 at Top Gun.  Nice way to rejoin the fleet. 

[tombogan03884]

This too, is where I have a problem with the Libertarian Party.  They are out to lunch on foreign policy.  I often wonder if it is just a way of "branding" to distinguish them from the Rep. Party.  (They don't need it.  They stick out enough.)  It usually boils down pretty simply: walk softly and carry a big stick/gun etc.  You end terrorism by stacking bodies like cord wood, that simple. 

On a side note, it is funny you mentioned Khaddafi.  His historical foot note will be how he proved that the F-14 was a MIG killer.

He has lasted longer than the F 14, He's still there (considerably more pro west, in fact he is assisting us in the war on terror) and the last F 14'swere retired last summer.

[Pathfinder]

He has lasted longer than the F 14, He's still there (considerably more pro west, in fact he is assisting us in the war on terror) and the last F 14'swere retired last summer.

He received an attitude adjustment, and the F-14s helped achieve that, along with the F-111s. They were able to retire because they had done their duty and done it well.

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

Amazing how negotiating works better after you blow up someones house   

[brosometal]

Amazing how negotiating works better after you blow up someones house   

Sorry in advance for the Star Wars reference, but Princess Amidala referred to "aggressive negotiations" while firing at the bad guys.  Too bad the lefties (Natalie Portman unfortunately included) cannot understand this in real life.

[Ron J]

Amazing how negotiating works better after you blow up someones house   

If I understand the story ... Khadfi's location was not public.  He was with his family at a house that did not have indoor plumbing and while outisde taking a crap, a F-111 threw a bomb through his front room window. 

[brosometal]

If I understand the story ... Khadfi's location was not public.  He was with his family at a house that did not have indoor plumbing and while outisde taking a crap, a F-111 threw a bomb through his front room window. 

This reminded me of a good book.  While this was not mentioned, Killer Elite covers the covert intel gathering and all the muck ups there in from mishap in the desert in an attempt to rescue the Iranian Hostages to present day.  A good overview.  My dad is reading my copy.

[Ron J]

This reminded me of a good book.  While this was not mentioned, Killer Elite covers the covert intel gathering and all the muck ups there in from mishap in the desert in an attempt to rescue the Iranian Hostages to present day.  A good overview.  My dad is reading my copy.

YES!
Smith did a great job with that book.  Lt. Col. Bill Cowan is one of my heroes!