SAF Staff Helped Write Background Check Bill

[Solus]

Quote from: 1Buckshot on Today at 03:53:30 pm
Solus, I'm not sure if I support it at this time either . I need the time to go over it some more but at this time I think if it dose pass,it may will not hurt as bad as the Schumer bill would if it passes.




Another one willing to accept "a little" infringement .   

Tom, I don't see any thing is Buckshot's statement you quoted here that says he is willing to accept anything.  All I see is him saying that this bill may not hurt as much as Schumer's bill.

If you were to say that 4th degree burns hurt less than 3rd degree burns, could that be taken as you saying you are willing to take 3rd degree burns?

[1Buckshot]

Another one willing to accept "a little" infringement

We will have to what and see but yes if I have to give a little to get more back, Most times I will take it. Just depends what I am trading for. In this instance it may be to much.  "I NEED MORE INFORMATION" ;

[twyacht]

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/04/alan-gottlieb-useful-jew.html

Sunday, April 14, 2013
Alan Gottlieb, "Useful Jew."

        Too cute by half. "Let's make a deal!" Why is this Wertvolle Juden smiling? Because he just negotiated away your God-given, natural and inalienable rights to liberty and property in return for a seat on the Judenrat.

    Gun group ‘had hand in writing’ Manchin-Toomey background check amendment

        The head of a national gun rights group is supporting the Manchin-Toomey background check bill, an email sent today to a group of Second Amendment activists, scholars and journalists revealed. Alan Gottlieb, Chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Founder of the Second Amendment Foundation also staked an authorship claim in the email, which he confirmed to Gun Rights Examiner is a for-the-record statement that can be shared and published.

        “Just so you all know, I am in support on the Manchin-Tooney substitute bill to knock out the bad Schumer Background Check bill,” Gottlieb wrote. “I and our CCRKBA attorney lobbyist had a hand in influencing and writing parts of it.

    David Codrea comments, with more self-control than I can muster at the moment:

        This explains why Republican Toomey, who won election by a narrow margin, has been willing to put his name on the bill in spite of pleas from gun owners who have not been privy to behind-the-scenes efforts. He obviously believes this will give him the political cover he needs to present his actions later as one that was in gun owner interests to pass, and has good reason to suppose that at least one national gun group will back him on it.

    In one fell swoop Gottlieb has provided political cover for all those waffling senators and congressmen who were seeking it desperately. The committed, truly evil collectivists like Feinstein and Schumer must be howling with laughter. In return for the chairman's seat on the Judenrat, Gottlieb has agreed to compromise YOUR God-given, natural and inalienable rights to liberty and property in return for, what? Language in a bill that is sure to be amended to our further detriment? At the critical moment when even the NRA was showing a little unexpected backbone, Gottlieb has out-flanked them with his own appeasement. The line is breached and it will be Gottlieb who will be remembered for that little treason.

    There WAS a chance this could get stopped cold in the House. No more. Gottlieb's behind-the-scenes stab in the back has put paid to that idea. A truly "useful Jew" indeed.

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Before any anti-semitic rants are offered, remember your history. Remember George Soros, remember how some Jews enabled many of the atrocities the Nazi Party committed. Keep it in context.

But Codrea is right.

[tombogan03884]

We will have to what and see but yes if I have to give a little to get more back, Most times I will take it. Just depends what I am trading for. In this instance it may be to much.  "I NEED MORE INFORMATION" ;

It was people like you who caused this whole problem in the first place .
They allowed the NFA because they would get some of that tax money for nothing.
After 70 some odd years you shouldn't still be that stupid.

[JLawson]

Here's a thought...

If the M/T amendment is so darn good for gun owners then the Democrats won't vote for it anyway.  Has anything really changed that much?  The most ardent 2A supporters think it is too strong and the most ardent gun grabbers think it is too weak.  Both sides will try to amend the amendment and will end up with something nobody can live with.

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[alfsauve]

My point is gun owners are always being asked to compromise on just a little bit more gun control.  On just giving up a few more rights.    For once it would be nice if we started from the position of power.

I've seen very few talk about the futility of NICS.  How it returns so many false positives.  How we have no idea how many false negatives it's generated.  How it doesn't prevent actual crime.   How it never will.   How it's just a tool of control.    2nd Amendment supports should be talking about repeal not compromise on expansion.

REPEAL 1934 NFA
REPEAL 1938 FFA
REPEAL 1968 GCA
REPEAL 1990 CCA
REPEAL 1994 BHVPA

[Solus]

Haven't found it in this bill, but read that it specifies guns carried across state lines must be unloaded with the ammunition stored out of reach of the armed occupants.

Seems like it might not be true, if the bill truly interstate CCW, else that feature is worthless...give you the right to carry and empty gun.

[TAB]

When I worked for a ffl,  very few doj kick backs were for them being criminals.   most of them were for things like unpaid tickets, often from 20 + years ago.

[twyacht]

Seems Gottleib, got used, no flowers, no reach around,

http://www.examiner.com/article/ccrkba-pulls-support-for-manchin-toomey?cid=db_articles

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The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms announced this morning that it has withdrawn its support for the Manchin-Toomey alternative background check measure because a key amendment for restoration of firearms rights is not being considered.

CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb advised Examiner by telephone that, “Our support for this measure was contingent on several key provisions, the cornerstone of which was a rights restoration provision that is not on the schedule for consideration.

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Good

[Solus]

Is he really saying  "I was for it before I was against it"?