European Jews circa 1937

[tombogan03884]

Do you guys have a better way to find unexploded ordnance (the suspects were tossing them out while being chased, not like they had GPS markers to where they went) and find a single person contained in a 4-5 block radius with the whole world watching, and second guessing your every move?

Is it a violation of your rights if you invite the officers in? NO.  Sure they're armed but they still had to ask for permission to enter a private residence.  The home owner had to LET them in.  If you have nothing to hide and they ask, it's still up to you to let them in or not.  If you say no, and they force there way in, you get to own part of the city, since they have to the prove that they had probable cause a "resonable person" would believe the suspect was in the residence, or there and exegent circumstances (they have to hear screaming ect).  A random or general sweep doesn't, and hasn't, stood up in court.

But that all is a load of crap because the cops , feds, and national guard, with their APC's, helicopters, and satellites didn't find squat. 
But since you're OK with it you'll be housing 4 of them starting tomorrow at your expense.

[jnevis]

But that all is a load of crap because the cops , feds, and national guard, with their APC's, helicopters, and satellites didn't find squat. 
But since you're OK with it you'll be housing 4 of them starting tomorrow at your expense.

Already house 3    OK not anymore, I retired

[tombogan03884]

Apparently you don't get the 3rd Amendment any better than you do the 4th.

[jnevis]

Apparently you don't get the 3rd Amendment any better than you do the 4th.

Obviously neither do you if you say that.

[Timothy]

How's this scenario;

As I've already stated, if they'd come to my door, I'd be armed with at least a handgun.  I, knowing what's going on, admit them freely into my home as they frisk me, find my sidearm and then slam me to the ground since I'm a potential bad guy with a gun.  Do you think they give a rats ass that I'm a license gun owner, legally carrying a handgun in my own home?

No, I'm just another bad guy with a gun and their so jacked up it would get me beaten at least if I even try to suggest otherwise.  I live here...I've mentioned before that the BPD ain't much better than Chicago...they've been corrupt thugs for a half century or better! 

This is wrong...period, and the people applaud!

[Sponsor]

[twyacht]

Matt Bracken analysis at 2:00



The DHS post I made referencing "No-Hesitation" targets....Kinda makes you go Hmmm....



Hands Up,



Hands Up,...



Hands Up.....

 This was Post- Katrina on steroids, and is not going to end well.

[Solus]

At least the cop in the Hands Up photo didn't have  his finger on the trigger...I wonder if everyone with a gun pointed at her or ready to point at her were doing the same.

And I wonder what might have happened if she had slipped trying to hurry down the steps with her hands in the air...a sudden move to grab for the rail might not end so well.

[fatbaldguy]

Do you guys have a better way to find unexploded ordnance (the suspects were tossing them out while being chased, not like they had GPS markers to where they went) and find a single person contained in a 4-5 block radius with the whole world watching, and second guessing your every move?

Is it a violation of your rights if you invite the officers in? NO.  Sure they're armed but they still had to ask for permission to enter a private residence.  The home owner had to LET them in.  If you have nothing to hide and they ask, it's still up to you to let them in or not.  If you say no, and they force there way in, you get to own part of the city, since they have to the prove that they had probable cause a "resonable person" would believe the suspect was in the residence, or there and exegent circumstances (they have to hear screaming ect).  A random or general sweep doesn't, and hasn't, stood up in court.

I don't see why the the "officer" had to have a firearm pointed in the face of the resident when the door was opened.

I don't see why the residents should have been treated as suspects and escorted from said residence by force and/or at gunpoint.  They certainly did NOT fit the description of the suspect.

From the perspective of the person filming the video, the LEO's and FLEA's forced the residents out without warrants or reasonable cause.

Had the same happened in my relatively free state, at my home,  where I am armed most of the time, I at the very least would be dead.

[jnevis]

I don't see why the the "officer" had to have a firearm pointed in the face of the resident when the door was opened.

I don't see why the residents should have been treated as suspects and escorted from said residence by force and/or at gunpoint.  They certainly did NOT fit the description of the suspect.

From the perspective of the person filming the video, the LEO's and FLEA's forced the residents out without warrants or reasonable cause.

Had the same happened in my relatively free state, at my home,  where I am armed most of the time, I at the very least would be dead.

And there in lies my issue, none of you were actually THERE so you are basing your complaint on assumptions that may or may not be true. 

I ask again, with all this theoretical knowledge of police procedure and Constitutional law, if you were BPD what would you have done differently?  You can armchair quarterback all you want but if they had done anything different and the younger kid hadn't shot himself and been holed up in one of those houses the outcome would have been MUCH different.

[Timothy]

And there in lies my issue, none of you were actually THERE so you are basing your complaint on assumptions that may or may not be true.  

I ask again, with all this theoretical knowledge of police procedure and Constitutional law, if you were BPD what would you have done differently?  You can armchair quarterback all you want but if they had done anything different and the younger kid hadn't shot himself and been holed up in one of those houses the outcome would have been MUCH different.

Jnevis,

Marshal law wasn't ordered and having not read the Patriot Act, all I personally have to fall back on is the Constitution.  From what I've seen and read on the local news (I live 30-40 miles from the affected areas), folks weren't given notice or served warrants while police asked them for entrance into their homes.  Was consent given?  This video shows that people were removed from their homes at the hands or armed men!  Did they show their badges?  Did they prove who they were?  Were the residents compelled to follow orders from armed men?  I can't answer any of these questions personally but I'd bet my yearly salary that they weren't given a thought of their 4th Amendment right and quite frankly, most of the folks I know here in MA haven't even read the Bill of Rights even though their direct ancestors wrote the document with their own blood!