Tired of waiting for ruger to start shipping the SR9s

[Rastus]

No shipping boxes in Oklahoma yet, either.  But...I'm sure there will be.  Maybe they are working to get a world class trigger system in it.....that would be kewl.  The dang thing is so light and thin it's a cryin' shame to have such a lousy trigger.  I went over to www.best9mm.com (which, by the way is a pretty fair reference) and they had the SR9 ranked #15 only because of the stinking trigger...they thought it could be ultimate 9MM with a good trigger....duh....

[CJS3]

When you carry a 1911 "cocked and locked", and you drop it, it can also discharge. I don't see the hardcore 1911 guys obssesing about it. Was the Ruger recall caused by an actual event/lawsuit, or are they just covering their ass ?  If you carry a gun and have to use it, you are going to get sued. By the perp's surviving family members or the state, you are going to be legally assaulted. If you can't handle that, don't carry. If I had a SR9, recall or not, it would have 500 rounds through it by now. I don't buy em to look at. I buy em to shoot, and I make sure I'm damn good at it.

[jaybet]

Here is the last bit of the recall warning:

"Do not load or fire your pistol until it has been factory retrofitted with these new parts! If you must fire your pistol, be sure to keep the manual safety in the "on" or "safe" position except when you are actually firing."

-JT

I'm not trying to be argumentive and I hate lawyers, but when they say, "...if you must fire your pistol," that doesn't mean to load it and carry it and, well, maybe have to use it some day. That means if you MUST...not if you prefer to or think you can or whatever.
If your pickup is recalled because the right front wheel will fall off and you ignore the recall notices and your wheel falls off and you crash and kill someone that's no longer an accident, it's negligent manslaughter. Or if you go to the range with a recalled weapon the other people at the range or the range master have every right to tell you to take it the hell back and put it in the car. Recalled anything is "grounded until further notice".
Of course, you can do what you want. Having said that, I took MINE to the empty back end of the range a couple of weeks ago and put 200 rounds through it. But that's not the same as carrying the thing.
I'd use my next favorite to carry 'till Ruger finally nuts up and fixes these damn things. I really like mine- I would like to feel free to use it as it was intended, but like someone else said here...if you use your weapon you will get sued, but that's not the same as having an accident because you bring something into the mix that was recalled by the manufacturer. That's a whole other ball of wax, and a bad one at that for the guy with the SR9.

[Cthulhu]

Thankfully, I live in a state that protects people who use their guns in self-defense.  In the unfortunate chance that I do need to use my gun in self-defense, and the shooting is deemed a legitimate self-defense shoot, I CANNOT have a civil suit brought against me, per state statute.

And I'll refrain from doing cartwheels whilst I carry the thing.

Happy?

Actually, I don't care.

My gun.  For my safety.  My responsibility.

Deal.

-JT

[ericire12]

Thankfully, I live in a state that protects people who use their guns in self-defense.  In the unfortunate chance that I do need to use my gun in self-defense, and the shooting is deemed a legitimate self-defense shoot, I CANNOT have a civil suit brought against me, per state statute.

And I'll refrain from doing cartwheels whilst I carry the thing.

Happy?

Actually, I don't care.

My gun.  For my safety.  My responsibility.

Deal.

-JT

Actually you can't have a lawsuit brought against you for using a gun that is in good working order, and using it in a responsible way..... there still is a liability involved in carrying a gun that is on a recall list, and using one in self defense or at the range or what ever may be considered negligent use of a firearm...... and as per Ruger, the SR9 is going to be prone to accidental discharge until it is serviced. It doesn't take a high caliber lawyer to figure that one out.

[Sponsor]

[Cthulhu]

Do you know what state I live in?

Do you know my state's laws?

Ruger states that the gun will NOT fire when dropped when the safety is ON.  The occasional drop-fires can only occur if the safety is OFF.

As stated before, my gun's safety is ON until I need to fire the gun, or break it down for cleaning/maintenance.

So, if my gun goes off, it's because I took the safety off and I pulled the trigger.  If someone gets shot because of that, it's because I meant to shoot them.  Since I will only purposely shoot someone in a self-defense situation, MY state's laws will protect me from any civil shoot.  The gun having a drop safety issue would be completely and utterly immaterial in the matter.


But I don't have to justify myself to you, and I'm 100% confident that I won't have to justify myself to any court of law.  Furthermore, I know how to use the safety between my ears.

'nuff said.

-JT

[jaybet]

Do you know what state I live in?

Do you know my state's laws?

Ruger states that the gun will NOT fire when dropped when the safety is ON.  The occasional drop-fires can only occur if the safety is OFF.

As stated before, my gun's safety is ON until I need to fire the gun, or break it down for cleaning/maintenance.

So, if my gun goes off, it's because I took the safety off and I pulled the trigger.  If someone gets shot because of that, it's because I meant to shoot them.  Since I will only purposely shoot someone in a self-defense situation, MY state's laws will protect me from any civil shoot.  The gun having a drop safety issue would be completely and utterly immaterial in the matter.


But I don't have to justify myself to you, and I'm 100% confident that I won't have to justify myself to any court of law.  Furthermore, I know how to use the safety between my ears.

'nuff said.

-JT

I really wasn't thinking about a perfect world where you are in complete control of your gun and nothing ever happens by chance or accident. If you use the gun responsibily and your state will protect you- that's super. I'm saying if some accident happens... something no one would have ever anticipated or could plan for. Basically something accidental. At that point, it doesn't matter why or how or who's fault- it will boil down to the fact that you were carrying a weapon that was recalled, and your ass is hanging out.

It's like drinking and driving in that if you've had one beer and your driving and the space shuttle comes down and crashes into you making your car hit another car...it's YOUR fault period because you had a beer. If someone rear ends you its YOUR fault because you had a beer- period.

Same with the recall. I am not un-happy that you are carrying your SR9- thank God you can carry. AND I don't doubt your abilites and I doubt you'll ever have any problems in the responsible use of the SR9. What I'm trying to say, that really doesn't reflect on your abilites at all, is that when that fluke occurance comes along, that freak incident, every cop, DA, and lawyer within a hundred miles will point to your recalled pistol.
That's when you just pucker up.
But yes I'm happy, thanks for asking.

[ericire12]

Dont get yourself in a tizzy, JT

We are not trying to tell you what to do. The whole discussion is really just all academic. I was just saying that for all of the above stated reason that I personally would not feel comfortable carrying the SR9, or taking it to a public range until I had it serviced. 

Go right ahead and do what you think is best.

[wisconsin]

JT. If you hang around here a little longer you will see this is different  place to sit and talk about what we love to do. I have yet too see any bashing on opinions here only friendly discussions. You will find that there is different flavor to this site. I've visited other forums and some of the opinion bashing is enough to make you puke! So kick back and enjoy.   I know I do. Oh! by the way WELCOME.

[tombogan03884]

Wisconsin is right, don't take this stuff personal. I have had some pretty heated discusions with individuals on this site, then guess who comes through when I need advice, and vice versa.
None of us are questioning your gun handling skills, or safety practices, It seems to me that the recall was issued for a nit picking reason to make Ca. lawyers happy. The arguments against your carrying the SR9 are based on OTHER peoples perception that "Oh my god, he's carring a recalled fire arm". Your home state and it's laws don't matter, any lawyer that handled a case against you would jump on the fact of a recall as a method of showing the jury "Your Irresponsible nature". Remember, in a civil trial the rules are differant, the lawyer needs to CONVINCE A JURY not PROVE TO A JURY, and it's a REALLY big differance. Thats how John Edwards made his fortune "channeling" dead children in a malpractice suit.  And don't take offense to the CAPITAL letters, I don't have bold, or italic options in the quick reply box so I use capitals for that purpose. Also, like Wisconsin said, WELCOME to the zoo