A question of worldview..

[santahog]

This is the question, isn't it.
Not to be flip about it, but the answer to this is as central as the question of "The Chicken or The Egg?"..

(If it's from within a man, it makes sense to be armed, doesn't it..)

[Solus]

The egg had to come first.

Also, I can give an argument that no one has any choice in what they do.   Similar to the concept that a person can "do what they will, but can they will what they will".

But it doesn't matter.

As had been said.  We don't blame rabid dogs.  

We might try to find the cause and deal with it, but that doesn't give this dog a pass.

How someone gets to be "rabid" matters little in how we deal with the person.

It makes sense to be armed no matter where evil comes from...if it exists, and it does, be prepared to deal with it.

If you want to then deal with the source afterwards, that is a different task.

[santahog]

Just as a note, it has to be the chicken.. Even an evolutionist haven't shown eggs to evolve..

[tombogan03884]

Just as a note, it has to be the chicken.. Even an evolutionist haven't shown eggs to evolve..

It had to be the egg that was defective, changes in the chicken would not have carried through to it's off spring.
and in this case evolution or creation are irrelevant since the subject is genetic mutation of an existing species.

[Solus]

I have assumed an evolutionists view to answer this.

A creationist view can't answer the question....whichever the Creator decided to make first is what the answer is.

So...assuming no chickens exist.  Some species close to a chicken, but not meeting the biological specifications for a chicken mate and either by a first time combination of genes from the parents, or mutation of the genes of one or both parents caused an egg to be produced that would hatch a chicken.

Something close to a chicken doesn't just magically turn into a chicken, but it can have genes that get mutated or combine in a first time way that will produce an egg that will hatch giving a creature that meets all the biological specifications of a chicken.

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[santahog]

But if one were to assume a creationists view, (which I do, of course) God (Creator) made the birds of the air, etc, telling them to "be fruitful and multiply". Having given the edict, one would logically assume that He equipped them to do as He commanded. He didn't lay eggs, or so the narrative goes..

Or do you subconsciously want to say that God laid an egg?.. 

[Solus]

But if one were to assume a creationists view, (which I do, of course) God (Creator) made the birds of the air, etc, telling them to "be fruitful and multiply". Having given the edict, one would logically assume that He equipped them to do as He commanded. He didn't lay eggs, or so the narrative goes..

Or do you subconsciously want to say that God laid an egg?.. 

Laying an egg is less offensive to me than sending bears to kill children. 

[santahog]

Laying an egg is less offensive to me than sending bears to kill children. 

And what kind of a God would He be if He offended "you"?! The nerve!!
He took my reason for having been born and to continuing to breathe, didn't offer me a "Plan B" and just damned left me here..
I'm sorry if He offended "you"..
Love is a choice, "love" having been created by Him in the first place.. He asks us to love Him. He doesn't make us. He made the rules, (Laws of nature, and natures God). Every choice from loving God, to loving another human, to hitting your thumb with a hammer has consequences.
Those kids you're talking about were brats, no different than the evil little brats running around today, just like the majority of us were at some point before we got our head pulled out of our asses for us... You mean to tell me that at no time in your life have you seen a bunch of brats (read modern day thugs/gangstas) and thought to yourself that bad shit ought to visit them for being such vicious, small little villains? No? Not even once? What stopped you? You're not God, right? Well, God is.. He can make an example out of any of us if it will guide the rest of us into a right relationship with Him.. Yes, fear is an appropriate facet of respect, and respect of love.
I guess, if you don't like the rules, go make your own heavens and earth.. If you're god and all.. There can only be one (actual, true) "god"..
Be careful though. You see how he treats those who try to be god in His name.. Jonestown is as good an object lesson as any "should" ever need, (though many still try to pull it off).
I don't know what to tell you. He's offended the shit out of me.. That doesn't make him evil. It just makes me "not God"..
Those poor little babies.. They weren't doing anything!! Just like any pack of darling little children today.. They drag people out of cars and beat people to death in McDonalds, filming it for Youtube. THEY'RE JUST LITTLE KIDS!!

Rant... It just tickles me to hear somebody talk about how God offends them..

[Solus]

And what kind of a God would He be if He offended "you"?! The nerve!!
He took my reason for having been born and to continuing to breathe, didn't offer me a "Plan B" and just damned left me here..
I'm sorry if He offended "you"..
Love is a choice, "love" having been created by Him in the first place.. He asks us to love Him. He doesn't make us. He made the rules, (Laws of nature, and natures God). Every choice from loving God, to loving another human, to hitting your thumb with a hammer has consequences.
Those kids you're talking about were brats, no different than the evil little brats running around today, just like the majority of us were at some point before we got our head pulled out of our asses for us... You mean to tell me that at no time in your life have you seen a bunch of brats (read modern day thugs/gangstas) and thought to yourself that bad shit ought to visit them for being such vicious, small little villains? No? Not even once? What stopped you? You're not God, right? Well, God is.. He can make an example out of any of us if it will guide the rest of us into a right relationship with Him.. Yes, fear is an appropriate facet of respect, and respect of love.
I guess, if you don't like the rules, go make your own heavens and earth.. If you're god and all.. There can only be one (actual, true) "god"..
Be careful though. You see how he treats those who try to be god in His name.. Jonestown is as good an object lesson as any "should" ever need, (though many still try to pull it off).
I don't know what to tell you. He's offended the shit out of me.. That doesn't make him evil. It just makes me "not God"..
Those poor little babies.. They weren't doing anything!! Just like any pack of darling little children today.. They drag people out of cars and beat people to death in McDonalds, filming it for Youtube. THEY'RE JUST LITTLE KIDS!!

Rant... It just tickles me to hear somebody talk about how God offends them..

You misunderstood.  I was fine with God laying an egg...his choice in how the world is created.  It was you who made the accusatory comment.

But just like Muslims calling Allah a just and kind god and Islam a religion of peace, calling God just and kind without including the other aspects is lying..to yourself at least.

[santahog]

You misunderstood.  I was fine with God laying an egg...his choice in how the world is created.  It was you who made the accusatory comment.

But just like Muslims calling Allah a just and kind god and Islam a religion of peace, calling God just and kind without including the other aspects is lying..to yourself at least.

What did I accuse you of aside from not being God?
What aspect of God have I denied?
I said that He's God, and he can do as he pleases, without an explanation to either one of us. We don't have to like it. It offends you that he doesn't check with you for a consult before he does what he does? You don't like how He runs the place? You don't think He's fair? That's on you then, isn't it?
He's laid it out plain for both of us. He doesn't lose anything by our disregard for Him. (You do know that, right?) he gave us free will. It's on us to choose Him or not. If we're brats, He's still in charge. If we're a godly woman that belongs to Him, He's still gonna do what pleases Him. He works in our lives to our benefit, but He doesn't owe us an explanation for anything.
What accusation did I offer to you, beyond the obvious? That He says "Trust Me" is a whole lot better than His saying "Okay, so,.. what? I'm not making you do anything." You only get to make your choices. You can teach your kids or not. That you do is for the benefit of your kids. That you want to guide a kid into right decisions is on you, but it's the kids choice to make, isn't it?
So, ... what? What's your beef? Why be offended at God, when you can't do anything about it anyway?
What am I missing?