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MikeBjerum

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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2013, 06:17:55 PM »
To clarify my stance on SD/CCW (which I have stated several times over the years):
  Private property without public access should be at the discretion of the owner of the property.
  If the public has access to a property, at any time, then the Constitutional right to bear arms should be allowed.

No argument from me on that one!
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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2013, 08:43:08 PM »
What about areas where its either dangerous, or  would cuases issues?  I can think of a few right off the bat, that having a gun on you would be bad or would cuase mechanical issues.  You also are going to have to define what is and is not public.    example, the radiaolgy department at the doctors,  it could be dangerous and cuase fuzzy images, at what point does that trip    become public and private?   clearly you can't even have it in the room when you are having a mri.  But at what point is it no longer open to the public?
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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2013, 11:09:36 PM »
I know I am feeding a troll at this point, but taking your gun into an MRI can't be done because of issues caused by the magnetic fields.  However, when I had my CT I had my gun on the belt with no issue.  I have done the same with X-Ray.  All depends on the machinery and your carry practice or ability.

Private = Your home or private property where you do not invite people for a public meeting or business

Public = Publicly owned, private business where public is invited to conduct business, private organization who invites people to participate in public meetings just to name a few.


Look at public and private from the angle of the no smoking laws.  Just as good, look at it through the lenses used for other civil rights.
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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2013, 12:52:55 AM »
smoking signs would be a bad example,  tons of places you can't smoke by law.       lets go back to the college thing.   classrooms are not public places.  Ask fq.   dr offices are private, unless you like people walking in on you.
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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2013, 07:04:49 AM »
smoking signs would be a bad example,  tons of places you can't smoke by law.       lets go back to the college thing.   classrooms are not public places.  Ask fq.   dr offices are private, unless you like people walking in on you.

Wrong, wrong and wrong TAB:

No smoking laws, in Minnesota, are a perfect example.  They lay out the basics that if it is publicly owned or private but open for public it is considered public and smoking not allowed.  These same places are the areas where firearms should not be disallowed.

A college is all public.  Whether publicly or privately owned, they do business with the public by inviting them to enter and spend, thus they are a public place.  Your dorm is your home, and many courts in different states have ruled that a landlord can not restrict your access to arms in property you rent.  This is the reason that a mall cannot, even though they do, post at the entrances for an entire mall.  The individual renters have the right to have arms and control their rented property.

Even though people cannot just walk in on you in an exam room,  the doctors office is public - Private or public business that operates by inviting customers in to do business with them.

Remember TAB that we have two types of law in this nation:  Legislative Law and Case Law.  The courts have ruled through Case Law that property owners have a responsibility to their invitees.  This means that in a private family setting you must provide a reasonably safe situation that does not cause risk.  For business this takes the safety and expands it to not being able to deny civil rights, and in Minnesota that you can not smoke there.

While I believe that these students broke their word when they signed a contract and did not follow the terms of agreement, they also have a God given right to self defense that the school was trying to deny.  This is the type of situation that would have been the cause of civil disobedience protests in the 60's.
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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2013, 12:42:49 PM »
i  am not disagreeing with you about dwelling, it gets sticky when its on the campus itself. If is illegal or not aloud on campus, how do you get it there?    i am a big fan of texas 30.06 law. 
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Re: Students face being expelled for defending their own lives
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2013, 01:37:25 PM »
Not sticky at all.  If you are allowed to have in the dwelling, you are allowed to get it there. 

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