so any guess on how long til the feds raid the pot shops?

[Timothy]

morality
n, pl -ties
1. the quality of being moral
2. conformity, or degree of conformity, to conventional standards of moral conduct
3. (Philosophy) a system of moral principles
4. (Education) an instruction or lesson in morals

Break it down to it's basics and morals differ for every human on the planet.  Society determines what the morality is for a giveN society...  I live to a standard of my own morals and common sense!

Therefor, I can't legislate morality, ergo..being as I am the government, neither can we/they/us....

[kmitch200]

Rastus, many laws fall into a couple of broad catagories.
Malum in se laws restrict things like murder, rape, robbery, even running over people in your car. Things that normal people know are wrong even if there wasn't a law against it.
If you harm someone there will be people that want you to pay for the harm you caused. 

Other laws, malum prohibitum laws make something illegal only because a statute says so.
Illegal drug use, gun possession and prostitution (among many others) fall into this catagory.
Does making victimless crimes illegal, like two consenting adults having sex and one pays the other, make for a better society? A one night stand after 'last call' at the pub is the same thing without the cash. How about laws that say having a is gun illegal, even though it isn't even used and endangered no one? Throw a waitress in jail because she smoked pot on her couch before she went to bed?

Does that solve societies problems? No.
They don't because you Can't. Legislate. Morality.
You can't just pass a law and make people not want to have sex, get a buzz or carry weapons...even if you declare WAR! on the problem and waste hundreds of billions of dollars and trample on everyones rights in the process.

We can, should and will hold people responsible for their actions if they f#@kup and hurt someone else.
(unless they have $$$$ or are related to a politician)

 

[ellis4538]

Back in Prohibition booze was illegal and pot was not.  People found a way to get booze then and people will find a way to get pot now.  Decriminalize pot and it won't go away but jails will have more room for real criminals!!!!!

JMHO


Richard

[billt]

Ruse? Try telling that to the wife of my friend who died of brain cancer. Chemo was leaving him so nauseated that he was losing weight big time. Not good for a guy that started out as skinny kid to begin with. All the Zofran in the world wasn't making his nausea any better.
He didn't like to smoke so he got his card and got some cannibis edibles. He was able to finally EAT.

4473s have had the unlawful drug question for a long time. If you lie on a federal form you are asking for trouble. Al Capone found that out the hard way.
If someone wants to give up their 2A rights, just like if they want to waive their 5thA rights when questioned by police, that's their choice.
IMO, an employer has every right to test for drugs and fire those that use them - nobody sentenced them to work there. If someone wants to risk that for a high, that's their choice.

If the .gov removed the restrictions on EVERY drug known, (like the old days when the percentage of addicts was lower than it is now), an employer would still have the right to demand you be clean.
Works the same way with alcohol now.   

Look, I'm not going to argue if it should or shouldn't be legal. That hasn't changed one bit from a legal standpoint. I'm telling it like it is. "Medical Marijuana" is a LEGAL ruse, pure and simple. Federal law trumps state law. All the time, every time. The fact some states have made it legal, does not exempt legal repercussions from those who use it based on that states "legal" stand. The Feds could storm in and LEGALLY close down all of these shops, and the Supreme Court would back them. This is not a states rights issue, regardless of how much these liberals want to make it one. If you want to buy this crap LEGALLY, the only way it can happen is if the law is changed at the FEDERAL level. That's what happened with alcohol. It was the Feds who banned it LEGALLY with the passage of the Volstead Act, and it was the Feds who LEGALIZED IT with the repeal of the Volstead Act. No state action took place at either end at any time.

And spare me all the "personal freedom" crap. It's been proven it is a gateway drug. Most every hard core intravenous drug user started out on Marijuana. We have a nation full of idiots, and we don't need more of them. I've NEVER known one single pot head that ever was productive at anything. Most become a burden to others. Explain how, (minus the alcohol argument), getting high and acting stupid is a positive thing? And furthermore, when it comes time to clean up the mess these idiots make of their lives, and those around them, who is going to pay for that, you? As always it will be the taxpayer.

You already have a fortune spent at the local, state and Federal level dealing with these non productive ass holes who are hooked on alcohol, along with every drug, legal and illegal, known to man. Now you want more based on "personal freedom"? Spare me. This country is broke, and getting dumber by the minute. How is legalizing yet another intoxicant going to improve things? It isn't. It will only make things worse, period.

The very few legitimate uses for this stuff is far outweighed by the negatives. Always has been, and always will be. You want an example look at Washington state. DUI arrests are off the chart as a direct result of people driving stoned out of their minds since that state legalized Marijuana. It impairs judgment the same or worse than alcohol. Watch what happens to automobile insurance in Washington state as a result of all of this stupid crap. Once again the taxpayers will pay for the stupidity of others, because of the "legalization" of this stuff.

It has already been proven people buy this junk from these "Medical Marijuana" shops, then sell it on the streets to kids. In California adolescent Marijuana use in areas around these "dope shops" soared after they opened their doors. No legitimate doctor would write for this stuff, legal or otherwise. Every doctor I asked said the same thing. They don't want the malpractice risk associated with it. These guys spend a third of their lives getting educated and building up a viable medical practice. They're not stupid enough to risk it all on some convoluted concept of "personal freedom". They're smart. The end Marijuana users, are lazy and stupid. Which one do you think society will benefit, by having more of? This whole mess runs a hell of a lot deeper than "curing" a few cases of nausea. Or "personal freedom" at the expense of screwing your life up, then having someone else pay to clean up the mess left behind.

[MikeBjerum]

If you are looking at smoking pot for medical reasons the chemicals can be extracted and given in pill, liquid, or injection.  If you are looking to create legal loopholes to get pot in the hands of those who want it then call it medicinal - That is what was done with alcohol during prohibition.

I do not believe that marijuana is addictive in the same way morphine, codine or many other narcotics are.  However, it is habit forming, and like alcohol, tobacco, and food, the habit can become an issue in health and safety for the abuser and society.

Do we keep it illegal, or do we make it a free for all and punish abusers?  It is a big issue, I don't have the answer, but I am sick and tired of knee jerk politics wasting time and energy on it.  The fact that pot usage is proven to lead to other more harmful drugs and activities when abused leans me toward keeping it illegal, because then a cop who smells pot has reasonable cause to investigate.

If we legalize it I am 100% against making it a tax scheme as many say.  This constant adding of taxes to individual items and services is nothing but a scheme by politicians to take more for their legalized bribery of voters.

[Sponsor]

[billt]

If you are looking at smoking pot for medical reasons the chemicals can be extracted and given in pill, liquid, or injection.

Good point that isn't mentioned near enough in these "Medical Marijuana" arguments. This is all about smoking dope and getting high. Nothing more.

[TAB]

if we try to tax and regulate it, guess what the black market will still be alive and well.   thats basic econ.  If you can produce a product cheaper and sell it cheaper, people will buy it.   if in doubt look at the knock off and unlicensed contractors( which i don't really have a prob for most things) markets, or the illegal lawn care.  still in doubt, look at cigs, tons of black market for those to avoid the taxs.  Legalizing it will only make a small % of the black market legal and the rest won't change at all. 

[Rastus]

<snip>
We can, should and will hold people responsible for their actions if they f#@kup and hurt someone else.
<snip>

Why?  That is your morality.  You can't legislate morality.

What do I care what you and other people think is morale?  That's your hangup, not mine. 

[billt]

Today one of the most abused drugs out there is Oxycodone. Thousands die from abusing it every year. It is legal by prescription in all 50 states. Yet in spite of that it's use as a pure intoxicant is spiraling out of control. Now we want to legalize yet another product for people to get high with. The product, (Marijuana) can be argued to be "safe". That's not the problem. It's when the end user of this crap becomes UNSAFE because of it's use. That does nothing but generate expensive, uncontrolled problems which have to be fixed by others. Pot heads who are constantly using this crap are seldom, if ever wealthy and able to pay to clean up their own messes. 

[billt]

Why?  That is your morality.  You can't legislate morality.

No you can't. But you can lock people up for acting in an irresponsible manner, that causes harm and expense to others. It happens with drunk drivers every day. As it should.