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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2008, 02:53:11 PM »
Let's see.  Here in FL we have malls and churches, and amusement parks etc where LARGE groups of people gather from all over the US and we have not had a mass shooting.   ???

Of course it is a well known fact that FL is armed....but that couldn't have anything to do with the non-happening, could it.  ::)


most states in the union have not had it happen... HI for example, and they have some of the stricktest gun laws in the country.  Il is the same way...
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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2008, 03:27:16 PM »
lets see, all those places just happend to be places where the shooter spent large ammounts of time and were people were having some type of prob...   but when it comes to fear mongering groups like the NRA, and brady bunch( yes they are the same in many ways)  facts do not mater, emotion maters.

On the contrary, TAB.  It appears that it is you who have not brought forth any facts.

In the original article it states the following:

Georgia Center Director Bill Crowe said the hotel will immediately change the form guests receive at check-in, paperwork that lists forbidden items and activities, like smoking.

"We are going to correct that," Crowe said. "I hate that the guy got arrested. We could have given him better information when he checked in."


The guy who runs the Georgia Center freely admitted Mr. Baylis was not adequately informed as to the law that weapons were not permitted.

From the above fact you now are on a tangent challenging posters to provide facts to supporting that gun free zones having more crime.  I would like to highlight that you have changed the point of the discussion from gun violence in gun free zones to one of crime in gun free zones..

Several posters have provided proof points behind their arguments that, declaring a place as a gun free zone does not guarantee that gun violence will not take place in the gun free zone.  Regardless of what you think the proof points provided are, indeed, facts.  Facts, by definition, cannot be argued.  When you challenge a fact you take on the burden of proof to disprove the fact.

Then suddenly you make two red herring arguments to the facts that posters have provided.  You have offered no proof of your own to disprove anything said by others.

1.   “lets see, all those places just happend [happened] to be places where the shooter spent large ammounts [amounts] of time and were people were having some type of prob...”

I’m sorry but I don’t understand your point.  You state an obvious fact it is like saying the sky is blue.  Your statement does not disprove anything posted by others.

2.   “but when it comes to fear mongering groups like the NRA, and brady [Brady] bunch( yes they are the same in many ways)  facts do not mater, emotion maters.”

I’m not sure what you offer as facts to back-up your statement, however, you are entitled to your opinion.  Above, bullit 2, you have stated a conclusion but with no facts to help the reader come to the same conclusion.   I am well aware that people can look at the same set of facts and come to different conclusions.  I guess you have simply come to a different conclusion.  I just disagree with you.

If you want more fun facts I will point you to the Cato Institute to an article written by David Lampo entitled Gun Control: Myths and Realities. 

The link is: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706

The opening paragraph says, “The number of well-publicized public shootings during the past few years, especially the tragedy at Columbine High School, has re-energized the gun control movement. As a show of strength, a coalition of gun control groups has organized a "Million Mom March" to be held in Washington, D.C. on Mother's Day, an event designed to stir up emotions rather than promote rational thought. And when one looks at the facts about gun control, it's easy to see why the anti-gun lobby relies on emotion rather than logic to make its case.”

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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2008, 03:43:56 PM »
Good article Watchman!

There are many studies that show that gun-free zones don't work. I believe John Lott is someone that has some credibility in this area.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200503230744.asp

Regardless, gun-free zone or not, no one should be passing any law that forbids me from protecting my family at school, church, Disneyland, a restaurant or even at the shooting range.

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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2008, 07:02:56 PM »

most states in the union have not had it happen... HI for example, and they have some of the stricktest gun laws in the country.  Il is the same way...

Illinois (where I came from) is one of the most crime-ridden states in the country. Dickie Daley has successfully suppressed most of the shooting news - except for the mall that got shot up a few months back - gun free zone BTW - the shooting death rate there in Dickie's gun free city is huge, hundreds of deaths, thousands of shootings, every year. Most of them are gang-related and Dickie won't let his city be besmirched by these facts. Until he wants to decry guns then he trots out a few statistics and everything goes back to normal.

CA has many many gun laws too, never seems to stop the MS-13s or the Bloods or Crips and their offshoots from getting and using what they want. Or the mooslim who shot up the Jewish center, killed a mailman too. Among others.

TAB, you must be a glutton for punishment to continually shoot your mouth off with inane opinions which are so easily refuted with a couple of facts. Again, Twain, it is better to be thought a fool . . .

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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2008, 07:35:33 PM »
lets see, all those places just happend to be places where the shooter spent large ammounts of time and were people were having some type of prob...   but when it comes to fear mongering groups like the NRA, and brady bunch( yes they are the same in many ways)  facts do not mater, emotion maters.

If all you can manage is misspelled BS why don't you shut up, or come right out and say that you are one of those sick people who likes to be abused. Does your significant other have a leather mask and whip ?

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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2008, 09:36:07 PM »
Illinois (where I came from) is one of the most crime-ridden states in the country. Dickie Daley has successfully suppressed most of the shooting news - except for the mall that got shot up a few months back - gun free zone BTW - the shooting death rate there in Dickie's gun free city is huge, hundreds of deaths, thousands of shootings, every year. Most of them are gang-related and Dickie won't let his city be besmirched by these facts. Until he wants to decry guns then he trots out a few statistics and everything goes back to normal.

CA has many many gun laws too, never seems to stop the MS-13s or the Bloods or Crips and their offshoots from getting and using what they want. Or the mooslim who shot up the Jewish center, killed a mailman too. Among others.

TAB, you must be a glutton for punishment to continually shoot your mouth off with inane opinions which are so easily refuted with a couple of facts. Again, Twain, it is better to be thought a fool . . .



that was in reguard to mass shootings not crime in general

Guns ( or lack thier of)  play no role in crime stats.    Crime is a very, very complex issue. 

Rather you like it or not, if we gave every one in the US a gun and holster, crime stats would change for a breif period of time, then they would go strait back to where they are now.
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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2008, 09:56:53 PM »
Have to say, that after countless nights during my professional career in hotels across this country, I wouldn't leave a pair of socks on the bed much less a gun.  Regardless of the law ... you don't leave a gun on a bed in hotel room.

My point of view?  He shouldn't have been arrested for having a gun on "school" grounds.  He should have been arrested for being a dumbass for leaving a firearm on the bed where someone other than you has access to it. 

And yes … the hotel should inform guests PRIOR to checking in that they are a non-gun property.   In a free market, people can use this information to decide whether or not they want to support that policy and patronize that establishment.   

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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2008, 10:19:05 PM »
that was in reguard to mass shootings not crime in general

Guns ( or lack thier of)  play no role in crime stats.    Crime is a very, very complex issue. 

Rather you like it or not, if we gave every one in the US a gun and holster, crime stats would change for a breif period of time, then they would go strait back to where they are now.

Proof??
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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2008, 10:25:59 PM »
that was in reguard to mass shootings not crime in general

Guns ( or lack thier of)  play no role in crime stats.    Crime is a very, very complex issue. 

Rather you like it or not, if we gave every one in the US a gun and holster, crime stats would change for a breif period of time, then they would go strait back to where they are now.

There you go again making statements and not citing any evidence or facts to back up your opinions. 
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Re: Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2008, 10:39:10 PM »
There you go again making statements and not citing any evidence or facts to back up your opinions. 

do you have any to disprove me?   

Almost ever single study done that has compared the number of guns to crime rates has come up with that statment.  only the biased studys ( both pro and against)  have said other wise.

and just for haz... some one from FL.,...

and he is even blessed by the NRA...

The best currently available evidence, imperfect though it is (and must always be), indicates that general gun availability has no measurable net positive effect on [crime] rates.... This is not [to] say gun availability has no effects on violence - it has many ... but these effects work in both violence-increasing and violence-decreasing directions, with the effects largely canceling out. For example, when aggressors have guns, they are (1) less likely to physically attack their victims, (2) less likely to injure the victim given an attack, but (3) more likely to kill the victim, given an injury. Further, when victims have guns, it is less likely aggressors will attack or injure them and less likely they will lose property in a robbery. [Taken together] ... the best available time series and cross-sectional studies [show that], the overall net effect of gun availability on total rates of violence is not significantly different from zero. [Emphasis in original.]1


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